Merged 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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bill smith said:
So those cameras were switched off during the attack and switchd on right after ? I wonder why those neighbours ahad the cameras at all ? It is possible though highly unlikely in my view. But generally in things 9/11 I have found that if there is a bare possibility that will suffice for the official story.
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once again, how do you know what type of video tapes ANY of the 85 were? There is no mention of how many, if any, were Pentagon security camera footage.

TAM:)
 
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T.A.M. said:
I believe she found 13 videos captured the "area" in question, but only ONE captured any frames that might be the impact itself.

TAM:)
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She also said that 12 cameras filmed the impact point only AFTER the impact and not during or before. These were presumably surveillance cameras. They.....surveil.
 
bill smith said:
So those cameras were switched off during the attack and switchd on right after ? I wonder why those neighbours ahad the cameras at all ? It is possible though highly unlikely in my view. But generally in things 9/11 I have found that if there is a bare possibility that will suffice for the official story.
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Given the vast amount of evidence that proves that AA77 crashed at the Pentagon, I couldn't care less why some video cameras were recording when. DNA, FDR, RADAR, eyewitness, debris, ect. all prove beyond any shadow of a doubt what happened. Anybody who suggest any alternate scenario be it a flyover or missile is a moron of the highest order.
 
Myriad said:
Doesn't this require that you be moving in the general direction of the monkey, though?

Respectfully,
Myriad
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I thought they already had the monkey. they just won't show it to anybody.

so all we have to do is follow the monkey.
 
bill smith said:
She also said that 12 cameras filmed the impact point only AFTER the impact and not during or before. These were presumably surveillance cameras. They.....surveil.
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so 12 people, doing various things out and about on a nice morning in september, could not have been filming other things, and then turned toward the pentagon when they heard the impact, and filmed post impact?

Without the details, you are only speculating. You have not one, NOT A SINGLE piece of evidence to say that those 12 cameras were surveillance cameras...NONE!!!

TAM:)
 
bill smith, how do you explain the death of 189 people into the Pentagon, whose all DNAs were recovered?
 
bill smith said:
Experiment in Behaviour:
10 monkeys are introduced to a cage. After they are left to settle in for a week or so the experiment begins. The experimenter has hung a rope from the middle of the ceiling with a banana at the very top. A monkey quickly scales the rope and snatches the banana which releases a shower of water that soaks all the other monkeys. No big deal. The next day another banana magically appears and one of the monkeys scales the rope, grabs the banana which again releases a shower of water on the other monkeys.This happens three or four days running and leaves a lot of fuming soaked monkeys. On the fifth day when the magic banana appears, a monkey goes to scale the rope at which the other monkeys attack and stop him. On the next say no monkey tries to climb the rope.

Then a monkey is taken out and is replaced with a new one. Sure enough when the banana appears the next day he is the only one to go for it and gets duly beaten up for his trouble. The same the next day.From then on no monkey tries to climb for the banana.

Thereafter every few days one old monkey after another is extracted and replaced with another until there are 10 new monkeys. Interestingly none of the 10 will climb for the magic banana when it is offered.......and not a single one actually knows why not ..
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So the moral is: Monkeys are filthy beasts that hate showers?
 
bill:

where in Maguire's statement, does she ever refer to the 12 tapes as security or surveillance camera footage? Where?

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
so 12 people, doing various things out and about on a nice morning in september, could not have been filming other things, and then turned toward the pentagon when they heard the impact, and filmed post impact?

Without the details, you are only speculating. You have not one, NOT A SINGLE piece of evidence to say that those 12 cameras were surveillance cameras...NONE!!!

TAM:)
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That's right! I didn't even think that those videos might not have been surveillance cameras. They very easily could have been people with cameras. There goes your latest smoking gun, bill.
 
T.A.M. said:
once again, how do you know what type of video tapes ANY of the 85 were? There is no mention of how many, if any, were Pentagon security camera footage.

TAM:)
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Would you say that the Pentagon had no surveillance cameras as well as no SAM batteries ? I just want to get an idea of how vulnerable the Pentagon really was ?
 
We don't have to speculate on what the tapes are. The broad details are contained in the list at http://911myths.com/index.php/FBI_hides_84_Pentagon_videos and say things like "Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by tourist traveling past Pentagon" and "Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by NBC4 Washington reporter, with footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack."

The videos are also being slowly released at http://penttbom.com , so eventually we'll be able to see just how relevant they are.

Not that it will make the slightest difference, of course. Truthers will just move from "why are they hiding the videos?" to "well, obviously they were never going to release anything incriminating".
 
bill smith said:
Would you say that the Pentagon had no surveillance cameras as well as no SAM batteries ? I just want to get an idea of how vulnerable the Pentagon really was ?
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I would say that I have seen no reliable evidence of SAM batteries defending the pentagon prior to 9/11. Please feel free to show me some. I would say that there were likely security cameras around the Pentagon, but I have not the foggiest where they would have been, or how many of them.

TAM:)
 
MikeW said:
We don't have to speculate on what the tapes are. The broad details are contained in the list at http://911myths.com/index.php/FBI_hides_84_Pentagon_videos and say things like "Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by tourist traveling past Pentagon" and "Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by NBC4 Washington reporter, with footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack."

The videos are also being slowly released at http://penttbom.com , so eventually we'll be able to see just how relevant they are.

Not that it will make the slightest difference, of course. Truthers will just move from "why are they hiding the videos?" to "well, obviously they were never going to release anything incriminating".
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As always, thank you MikeW. I kind of figured a list detailing the videos existed.

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http://www.flight77.info/85videos.html

is the link to the list (gotten from MikeW's site, placed here for quick reference)



TAM:)
 
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bill smith said:
Would you say that the Pentagon had no surveillance cameras as well as no SAM batteries ? I just want to get an idea of how vulnerable the Pentagon really was ?
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Not all video cameras record.

And SAM batteries. Wow, I've heard of twoofers claiming that, but never actually witnessed it. Congrats. You do realize that the Pentagon is right next to an airport and planes fly near it all the time. How do you think that would work with your imaginary SAM batteries? And do you think that a SAM would just stop a 757 going at high speed right in it's tracks or something?

And BTW, the Pentagon is just an office building. All they need to keep it secure is control who enters the building which is done easily by checking IDs.
 
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bill:

where in Maguire's statement, does she ever refer to the 12 tapes as security or surveillance camera footage? Where?

TAM:)
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I think i may have assumed that at least some of them were Pentagon surveillnce tapes. I felt sure that the hilipad would have been under camera view. But you live and you learn.
 
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bill smith said:
I think i may have assumed that at least some of them were Pentagon surveillnce tapes. I felt sure that the hilipad would have been under camera view. But you live and you learn.
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We might make something of you yet bill!

TAM;)
 
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