What was the point of blowing up WTC7

[dtugg]

Has anybody done a serious estimate of what it would cost to fix WTC 7? Compared it to what it would cost to demolish and rebuild? My cousin is an architect, and she told me that it wouldn't take much deviance from code before a building is condemned. (Well, something like that. It's been a while.)

I'm not sure. I would bet that if it didn't collapse they probably would have had to destroy it anyway. Assuming it was destroyed intentionally and the motive was just to get rid of a badly damaged building that needed to go anyway, it still doesn't explain (1) Why there was a massive coverup regarding the whole thing which presumably involves the FDNY. (2) How the building was rigged for demolition so quickly. (3) How the building was rigged for demolition while it was on fire.

 

[BCR]

Doesn't the 6th amendment say that everyone had a right to be represented by an attorney?

Yes, but that was amended by the 28th Amendment enacted on 9/12/2001.

"Terrorists have the right to disappear from the face of the earth after having an opportunity to rat out their friends to Jack Bauer."

 

[cyclonic]

Some secret service agents and FBI guys were uncovering the secret pentagon weaponized explosive thermite operation when they were ambushed and killed by the bad feds and their bodies thrown into the building 7 fire, building 7 was then demolished to cover up the murders.

I know this is true because alex jones told me.

 

[tsig]

Yes, but that was amended by the 28th Amendment enacted on 9/12/2001.

"Terrorists have the right to disappear from the face of the earth after having an opportunity to rat out their friends to Jack Bauer."

Must be the same one that says "When the President is acting as Commander in Chief he can do no wrong" Then there's the one "We can ignore the Constitution to save it".

Well off topic here.

 

[tsig]

Some secret service agents and FBI guys were uncovering the secret pentagon weaponized explosive thermite operation when they were ambushed and killed by the bad feds and their bodies thrown into the building 7 fire, building 7 was then demolished to cover up the murders.

I know this is true because alex jones told me.

If AJ was right this government should have dissolved into an orgy of infighting that would have awed the Nazis.

(Ha, I got to Godwin a thread. At last)

 

[GStan]

Some secret service agents and FBI guys were uncovering the secret pentagon weaponized explosive thermite operation when they were ambushed and killed by the bad feds and their bodies thrown into the building 7 fire, building 7 was then demolished to cover up the murders.

I know this is true because alex jones told me.

Fantasy Island vid is interesting, but for a good laugh, watch the short one called "Alex Jones Kook Conman Nut Job".

ETA: here is direct link to it.

 

[SteveAustin]

So if we in the truth movement are not psychic and cannot read the minds of the real terrorists then we are wrong?

Is that your assumption here?

Why is it everywhere I go I find people demanding me to explain WHY the NWO (or whoever) would do this, or that, or the other thing???

Unless I were in on the conspiracy I can't know these things. Oh we could all make guesses and assumptions but all that leads to is the OCT supporters constantly moving the bar and constantly demanding more and more and more of our proof of our theories...when in reality all we need to do is show the "Official Conspiracy Theory" to be bogus, no need to come up with an alternative scenario. That's what a new truly independent, thorough and transparent investigation is for.

 

[Praktik]

So if we in the truth movement are not psychic and cannot read the minds of the real terrorists then we are wrong?

Is that your assumption here?

Why is it everywhere I go I find people demanding me to explain WHY the NWO (or whoever) would do this, or that, or the other thing???

Unless I were in on the conspiracy I can't know these things. Oh we could all make guesses and assumptions but all that leads to is the OCT supporters constantly moving the bar and constantly demanding more and more and more of our proof of our theories...when in reality all we need to do is show the "Official Conspiracy Theory" to be bogus, no need to come up with an alternative scenario. That's what a new truly independent, thorough and transparent investigation is for.

But this is disengenuous - of course I'm not familiar with what theories you in particular have promoted but many truthers have no trouble ascribing motive to the NWO when it suits their purposes: to garner public support for foreign wars, to get control of resources and strategic locations, to ram through domestic legislation. When it comes to the big picture I havent come across all that many truthers who refuse to ascribe motive. Another very common refrain is they did it because they're "evil".

When it comes to the minutiae of the day - why make 15 hijackers Saudi Arabian (threatening a crucial strategic relationship) and none of them Iraqi (when the admin tried their best to pin 9/11 on Saddam), why blow up WTC 7, why use a complicated and widespread conspiracy to launch a war in Iraq when shooting down a plane in the no-fly zone would have worked - they refuse to answer these questions and fall back to your position: we're just asking questions, how are we to know the mind of the NWO?

Well you (or more accurately, the movement with which you self-identify) pretends to know the mind of the NWO when its convenient, and feigns ignorance when its inconvenient.

 

[cyclonic]

Fantasy Island vid is interesting, but for a good laugh, watch the short one called "Alex Jones Kook Conman Nut Job".

ETA: here is direct link to it.

lol!
"I've seen the bodies in john wayne gaceys basement!" yes sure you did alex, we know you love the killer clown and often dress up like him and pursue your sick,twisted urges...............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6cW2acXvNE

 

[1337m4n]

So if we in the truth movement are not psychic and cannot read the minds of the real terrorists then we are wrong?

Is that your assumption here?

Why is it everywhere I go I find people demanding me to explain WHY the NWO (or whoever) would do this, or that, or the other thing???

Unless I were in on the conspiracy I can't know these things. Oh we could all make guesses and assumptions but all that leads to is the OCT supporters constantly moving the bar and constantly demanding more and more and more of our proof of our theories...when in reality all we need to do is show the "Official Conspiracy Theory" to be bogus, no need to come up with an alternative scenario. That's what a new truly independent, thorough and transparent investigation is for.

SteveAustin--

Please see this thread for my explanation of why the motive of the "NWO" is indeed important and relevant.

 

[GStan]

SteveAustin--

Please see this thread for my explanation of why the motive of the "NWO" is indeed important and relevant.

Steve,

Also check out this thread for an interesting analysis of motive on the part of the perp(s). (Mackey's Evil Genius thread.) At least read the opening post for some perspectives that you may not have considered.

 

[jaydeehess]

Has anybody done a serious estimate of what it would cost to fix WTC 7? Compared it to what it would cost to demolish and rebuild? My cousin is an architect, and she told me that it wouldn't take much deviance from code before a building is condemned. (Well, something like that. It's been a while.)

While it just might be a reason to demolish the building it would not be a reason to do it secretively. Since insurance will be paying out either way they would opt for the lesser expense and therefore keeping it quiet from the insurance co. is not a valid arguement.

We need only look at Banker's Trust which is being demolished due to impact damage it took on that day. It took time to assess it to see if it could be repaired. It couldn't. It was shored up sufficiently to allow demolition. It was far from the only structure that still stood at the end of the day which needed to be brought down, none of which were brought down by blowing them up, including the other WTC structures.

A senario as you write it would require that this building be first determined as unrepairable, then a plan developed for in place demolition as it burned, then that plan would have to be put into action and carried out. All of this would have to be done in 7 hours, in the chaos of the situation in NYC during that time, in absolute secret, in a fashion never even considered for any building demolition anywhere in the world ever before.
While impossibly complicated conspiracies might work in the movies then rarely, if ever, do in real life.

Of course, for entertainment purposes, one can construct any number of implausible theories. E.g.: the NWO realized that they had stocked too much thermite, and wanted to get rid of the extra. For one thing, the next false flag will involve bioterror, anyway. What's a vast, monolithic conspiratorial organization to do when their quartermasters screw up and order too much thermite? It's not like you can eat it. You can't even brush your teeth with it.

No, you can simply take it to a weapons range and burn it off in secret rather than do it in an area being watched by every news organization in the world.

That senario is an extrapolation from the idea that in order to destroy sensitive docuements or equipment the best way to do so is to destroy the building they are in. In fact the best way to destroy sensitive docs is to cross shred them, remove the remains to an isloated area and burn them. Similarly better ways to destroy equipment is also available.

 

[jaydeehess]

So if we in the truth movement are not psychic and cannot read the minds of the real terrorists then we are wrong?

Is that your assumption here?

Why is it everywhere I go I find people demanding me to explain WHY the NWO (or whoever) would do this, or that, or the other thing???

Unless I were in on the conspiracy I can't know these things. Oh we could all make guesses and assumptions but all that leads to is the OCT supporters constantly moving the bar and constantly demanding more and more and more of our proof of our theories...when in reality all we need to do is show the "Official Conspiracy Theory" to be bogus, no need to come up with an alternative scenario. That's what a new truly independent, thorough and transparent investigation is for.

Galileo's answer is simply that the NWO is eeevil. Sorry that does not cut it. Humans do complex tasks for reasons. Psychotics even have reasons for their actions even if no one else will be able to understand them. However if the answer to why no one can figure out why the NWO does things the way they do is because they are psychotically twisted then it does not explain how an organization populated by such psychotics can have survived. It would be nigh on impossible for a large group to all share the exact same psychosis.

It also seems like you may be asking why we do not know the mind of God (or God-like entity). Is that how the TM sees the NWO?

 

[fezzic]

It was a necessary act on the part of the NWO. An unspoken concession to the CT movement, in general, to make it possible for them to try to prove that the NWO carried out the demolition. A challenge!

That would actually be diabolical. Deliberately destroying the building for no other reason than to make others lose their mind, and credibility, trying to prove that the building was deliberately destroyed. The whole motive for the action was that there was no motive.

How's that?

 

[JamesB]

It was a necessary act on the part of the NWO. An unspoken concession to the CT movement, in general, to make it possible for them to try to prove that the NWO carried out the demolition. A challenge!

Actually there is much to that theory. Much of conspiracy theory logic is so circular that arguments exist for no other purpose than to support themselves. For example, why did the supposed conspirators wire every floor of the towers in a "classic controlled demolition" rather than just use enough explosives to collapse the floors right where the actual damage was, which would have achieved the same basic result at much less risk to themselves?

Well, the answer is, because if they didn't, the conspiracy theory community would have no "evidence" to point to in order to unveil their crimes. These theories are not based on any coherent logic, but in a desparate plea for some clue to solve the "mystery".

 

[Mince]

...demanding more and more and more of our proof of our theories...when in reality all we need to do is show the "Official Conspiracy Theory" to be bogus, no need to come up with an alternative scenario.

Truther A: There were planes that hit WTC 1 and WTC 2.

Truther B: There were no planes that hit WTC 1 and WTC 2.

Truther C: Why don't the debunkers believe us?

I'm kinda looking for empirical evidence, not presumption based on what is compelling or unknown.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Truther A: There were planes that hit WTC 1 and WTC 2.

Truther B: There were no planes that hit WTC 1 and WTC 2.

Truther C: Why don't the "debunkers" believe us?

No, no, no.

Truther A: The 9/11 Commission claims that the planes were hijacked, but there's clear evidence that the hijackers never existed.

Truther B: The 9/11 Commission claims that the hijackers were members of al-Qaeda, but there's clear evidence that they were trained at US air bases.

Truther C: The 9/11 Commission claims that the hijackers flew the planes, but there's clear evidence that they were incompetent pilots.

Truthers A-C: See? We've all proved the 9/11 Commission is wrong!

Dave

 

[eromitlab]

when in reality all we need to do is show the "Official Conspiracy Theory" to be bogus, no need to come up with an alternative scenario.

Ah, I see David Ray Griffin has taught you well, young truther.

 

[ravdin]

Why is it everywhere I go I find people demanding me to explain WHY the NWO (or whoever) would do this, or that, or the other thing???

Since you believe you're right and we're all wrong, why aren't you asking yourself this question? Some nefarious organization pulled off the biggest crime and cover up in history, at enormous expense and risk, for what exactly?

Come on, now. Don't tell us you never thought about who pulled the strings and benefited from this caper.

 

[GStan]

Since you believe you're right and we're all wrong, why aren't you asking yourself this question? Some nefarious organization pulled off the biggest crime and cover up in history, at enormous expense and risk, for what exactly?

Come on, now. Don't tell us you never thought about who pulled the strings and benefited from this caper.

I think its obvious that it was done to cover-up the massive embarrassment that the BBC would have suffered from reporting that the building had sploded already when it was in fact still standing. Public embarrassment = less people watching the news = shrinking ad $revenues$. Always follow the money.