The Republicans really do have alternatives. Really.

[Texas]

I'm an undergraduate student, and I paid more than my parents in taxes last year. No EITC for me, no mortgage deductions, no dependents. My taxes were for income that I made because of my skills and education. More importantly than your idiocy, exactly what percentage of income or dollar amount must one pay in taxes in order to have an opinion about the budget?

Tell me how much you made while being a full time student. Then we can run the numbers.

 

[Dr Adequate]

From his own mouth you can hear the audio here:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kerry-picket/2008/11/02/obama-energy-prices-will-skyrocket

So, no actual figures then?

As for your link, that is the most dishonest thing that I have ever seen, including creationism.

 

[Texas]

So, no actual figures then?

As for your link, that is the most dishonest thing that I have ever seen, including creationism.

So that wasn't Obama's voice?


http://www.aier.org/research/commen...on-cap-and-trade-policy-is-cost-for-consumers

This would be equal to a $1,100 tax on such a four-person household at 2008 levels of income and consumption. By 2050, this would increase to an amount equal nearly to a $3,000 additional annual tax on such a household (in inflation-adjusted, real terms).

To bring this cost down to everyday comparisons, the authors point out that in 2008 this average four-person household spent about $2,500 on food, or about $208 per month. They also point out that the monthly payment on a purchased Honda Civic LX was around $190 a month. In other words, the cost of the cap and trade policy for this four-person household would be equivalent to around six months of their annual food bill, or almost half of the annual payments for this type of automobile.
But as the emission permits are reduced over the years and the cost of buying them was increased, the cost to consumers would rise to practically $3,000 annually for this household by 2050 (in real terms). Even though the U.S. economy will likely grow over the coming decades, even with a cap and trade policy in place, what it will mean is that GDP and consumer consumption spending will be noticeably lower than their potential levels without this restriction on carbon emissions.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

I'll make a deal with you.

Will you answer my point?

Let's ignore each other.

You, sir, have insulted my honour. I demand satisfaction!

I have neither the time or desire to debate a kid that is still in school who thinks he actually knows anything about the real world.

Well, it is very odd then that you would keep coming back to post more insults.

 

[Dr Adequate]

So that wasn't Obama's voice?

I did not say that it was not Obama's voice.

What I said was that the wingnuts' misuse of that quote was "the most dishonest thing that I have ever seen, including creationism".

And it is.

Kent frickin' Hovind would puke. Henry soddin' Morris would turn in his grave.

Sheesh.

 

[DC]

It makes you one that doesn't have to pay for this crap. I do and have for 50 years.

typical human......
stupid without an end in sight.

WE have wasted the resources and money of several future generations.
and YOU, you get mad as hell when you have to pay a little bit for the CRAP we doing here.

why do we hate our children so much?

 

[DC]

Nope just a statement of fact. He IS a student and does not have to pay the taxes for all of the spending he is advocating. He does not have standing to demand those of us that do pay taxes to pay for his wish list of tax payer funded programs.

but HE has to live in the ruins of that planet we leave behind for alot longer than you, propably...

 

[quixotecoyote]

typical human......
stupid without an end in sight.

WE have wasted the resources and money of several future generations.
and YOU, you get mad as hell when you have to pay a little bit for the CRAP we doing here.

why do we hate our children so much?

You know, I was about to dig into the problems with this post, just in the interests of fairness, but I really don't know where to start.

 

[DC]

I am talking real life actions that the taxpayers of this country are funding.

we arent funding anything.....
take a look at our countrys debts....

 

[leftysergeant]

It makes you one that doesn't have to pay for this crap. I do and have for 50 years.

I have been paying taxes for about as long as you. When I was making money, I never snivelled about it. Back then, we had a government that actually did usefull things with the money.

Now, after 28 years of mostly Republican presidents who didn't want to do infrastructure, but loved to buy toys for the generals and cut tax-relief deals with the investor class, I am making less money than I used to, paying more taxes, most years, getting squat for government services, aside from VA benefits and am watching idiots who know diddly about military science shrieking that the war MUST be won...

I am convinced that the Reptilians are real.

They own all the radio stations with the strong AM signals.

They have convinced the people with the greatest ecconomic power to commit suicide, but these darned kids just won't listen.

 

[Toke]

I guess america´s basic political problem is corruption.
Both parties are beholden to their sponsors, often the same.

So any bailout or stimulus will first and foremost benefit political sponsors.

 

[mhaze]

Will you answer my point?

You, sir, have insulted my honour. I demand satisfaction!

Well, it is very odd then that you would keep coming back to post more insults.

Interesting exchange. One thing that Texas has not pointed out is that the effect of the current insane profligate spending will be shouldered by the next generation - eg., Tsukasa Buddha...

Texas, arguing contra the insanity, argues for a better life of Tsukasa, yet in so doing is accused of insults and ad hominems.

Just trying to unscramble something here and make sense out of it.

Nope. Can't.

 

[Alex Libman]

And socialists don't have guns?

BWAHHAHAHA!

I suggest that the rightwingers and anarchists not get froggy.

Of course socialists have more guns, and a total monopoly on heavier weapons including aircraft, subs, nukes, and so on. That's not the point. To quote Solzhenitzin:

During an arrest, you think since you are not guilty, how can they arrest you? Why should you run away? And how can you resist right then? After all, you’ll only make your situation worse; you will make it more difficult for them to sort out the mistake.

And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family?

Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?

The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! We did not love freedom enough. Every man always has handy a dozen glib little reasons why he is right not to sacrifice himself.

The point of the second amendment in the modern times isn't to match the government in symmetrical warfare, it is to raise the cost of tyranny.

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I have been paying taxes for about as long as you. When I was making money, I never snivelled about it. Back then, we had a government that actually did usefull things with the money.

Doing useful things isn't a measure of fairness. If I force you to buy a used Hyundai Accent for $200,000 didn't you get something useful out of the deal?

 

[Beeyon]

Tell me how much you made while being a full time student. Then we can run the numbers.

Way to move the goalposts with the fulltime thing. Undergraduates take internships over the summer and can make money. I've already worked out the numbers with H&R block's website, and my federal was about 8.5k. Enough to have an opinion?

 

[Texas]

Way to move the goalposts with the fulltime thing. Undergraduates take internships over the summer and can make money. I've already worked out the numbers with H&R block's website, and my federal was about 8.5k. Enough to have an opinion?

8.5 k in taxes? That would mean that you had an AGI of 50k on a gross of 56k with the standard deduction. That must have been one hell of a summer internship.

 

[technoextreme]

Do you have any idea how many businesses will go off-shore under this cap and trade fiasco? Assuming you pay your own bills do you have any idea how much your heating and electric bills are going to go up or how much more you will pay at the pump? I have a feeling that there are few US citizens on this board that actually pay the taxes for all of Obama's hare-brained ideas and the ones that don't live here are delighted that the American taxpayer is taking it in the shorts.

Do you know how far we are in the ******** regarding significant parts of our infrastructure?

8.5 k in taxes? That would mean that you had an AGI of 50k on a gross of 56k with the standard deduction. That must have been one hell of a summer internship.

That isn't surprising. That isn't unusual. I made about $50,000 which is on the low end for my college. My friends defiantly made more in the same time period though I can't complain. In all seriousness I can't complain because I get to go to graduate school for free because of my one job.

Interesting exchange. One thing that Texas has not pointed out is that the effect of the current insane profligate spending will be shouldered by the next generation - eg., Tsukasa Buddha...

Texas, arguing contra the insanity, argues for a better life of Tsukasa, yet in so doing is accused of insults and ad hominems.

Just trying to unscramble something here and make sense out of it.

Nope. Can't.

Because you are ignorant. The problem is that we need to spend money. Not should need. Am I happy about it? No. It is a catch 22 scenario.

 

[mhaze]

Originally Posted by mhaze
Interesting exchange. One thing that Texas has not pointed out is that the effect of the current insane profligate spending will be shouldered by the next generation - eg., Tsukasa Buddha...

Texas, arguing contra the insanity, argues for a better life of Tsukasa, yet in so doing is accused of insults and ad hominems.

Just trying to unscramble something here and make sense out of it.

Nope. Can't.
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Because you are ignorant. The problem is that we need to spend money. Not should need. Am I happy about it? No. It is a catch 22 scenario.

Your premises are already being disputed, thus the conversation. Attributing cause to ignorance ignores prior development of positions in this thread. But if it makes you happy, be happy.

 

[Upchurch]

Boehner was left to field questions. He said Republicans would do a better job than the President cutting the deficit. When asked what the goal was, he answered curtly, “to do better.” Pressed again on how, Boehner said "you'll see next week." The reporter tried again, asking how the GOP plan would do better than President Obama's goal of cutting the deficit in half, and Boehner repeated, "Oh, it'll be better."

So, how's that going?

 

[technoextreme]

Attributing cause to ignorance ignores prior development of positions in this thread. But if it makes you happy, be happy.

What positions would that be that you are living in a fantasy world of candy canes and sugar plums. The reality is that we need to spend money for multiple reasons that the politicians have ignored and apparently middle age men with an ego complex that thinks they know everything.
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/

 

[Corsair 115]

Let's talk when you have a few years of paying taxes under your belt.

What is it with Americans and taxes? You have one of the lowest rates of taxation of any major western industrialized nation, and yet you still complain about taxes. Get over it already!