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If you want to be treated like an adult, stop making ridiculous, inane, naive, broad-brush statements like "Killing oneself is a right" when discussing cigarettes
 
bonavada said:
I don't disagree with the smoking ban per se. But some accomodation should/could have been made for smokers. "Smoking pubs" is an obvious idea as mentioned. Perhaps some of the billions of revenue collected from tobacco tax could be used to compensate non-smoking establishments? It seems that my money is taken with one hand and I'm slapped with the other.

Alcohol abuse and obesity kill a lot more people in the UK so what next? Prohibition and calorie police? It just seems to be the thin end of the wedge.

BV
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Unfortunately for you, you are in the minority in this country as a smoker. The elected govt of each of the home nations have decided you cannot smoke where you like anymore.

Who would work in the smoking pubs? Smokers? Its a health and safety thing and a health spending thing and as such I feel this is not a nanny state thing. It is more and more common around the world as I have seen in recent times.

I noticed a big difference in Ibiza last year and being in a hotel with lots of Italians. It seemed about 90% of them smoked and the place stunk to high heaven. I'm glad I can go out at home to any pub or restaurant and come home not smelling like the 20 a dayer that I used to be.
 
UNLoVedRebel said:
3. Killing oneself is a right.
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What about people with asthma who are forced to breathe the smoke filled air. What about immune-compromised people who are in the same boat? If they are smoking at home or outside, I don't have a problem with it, but inside a building it affects more than just the smoker.
 
Disbelief said:
What about people with asthma who are forced to breathe the smoke filled air. What about immune-compromised people who are in the same boat? If they are smoking at home or outside, I don't have a problem with it, but inside a building it affects more than just the smoker.
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This smoker agrees with your sentiments. However ... a while back I was working at a college that was proposing a total smoking ban on the entire campus. This would have included car parks and other open spaces where the dedicted smoker could easily be 100yds from the nearest human. This goes way beyond "protecting the innocent" (which I agree with) and right into the realms of witchhunt. Smokers are being targeted even in areas where their addiction cannot harm others. Simply because they are visible, as far as I can see.

It would be easy to introduce a system where your doctor, or even a paramedic, could issue you with an I.D. card indicating your body fat index. Such a card would have to be presented when buying fatty foods. All for the protection of the fatsos who are threatening their own lives through chronic obesity. Anyone for that?

Smoking bans to protect the innocent, yes. To punish the "guilty", no. I do have an absolute right to risk my own health through smoking, just as I have the right to wreck my knees through skiing or rugby.
 
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six7s said:
If you want to be treated like an adult, stop making ridiculous, inane, naive, broad-brush statements like "Killing oneself is a right" when discussing cigarettes
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I wouldn't say that this is necessarily so cut & dried.

It's the difference between "killing oneself" (which I would argue is an absolute right, but a different discussion) and "risking ones life" (which I would argue is also an absolute right). What is absolutely forbidden, IMO, is risking anyone else's life.

I used to rock climb & race motorcycles. Both of those have high inherent risks. So do LOTS of other activities, some recreational (surfing & skydiving) and some non-recreational (job related risks).

The single biggest biggest risk in US today is simply driving.

Lots of people in the past have advocated banning activities that I enjoyed because they felt that my enjoyment was insufficient reason for society to permit it. This is a horrible slippery slope in American politics.

I am in favor of banning smoking in restaurants & bars. But not outdoors. It has GREATLY improved those environments for non-smokers like me.

But how would you distinguish rock climbers, surfers, scuba divers, etc right to engage in their chosen sport from a cigarette smoker engaging in theirs?

tom
 
(speaking as another former 20 a dayer) The issue has nothing to do with smoking, and everything to do with hazardous substances. I feel I would be perfectly in the right, and without critics, if I demanded people don't take spray bottles of ammonia into public places and spray it all around me. Why on Earth are some people freaking out about not being able to blow cigarette smoke in my face?
 
stateofgrace said:

I wish I never had. I actually stopped for three years but started again. I guess once a smoker always a smoker.

It is so bloody addictive; I hope to goodness my kids take the same advice.


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I hope not! I finally quit after 30 years (going on 3 years now). I feel great and I NEVER want to have that "monkey on my back" again. If only I could convince my girl friend :(
 
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DGM said:
I hope not! I finally quit after 30 years (going on 3 years now). I feel great and I NEVER want to have that "monkey on my back" again. If only I could convince my girl friend :(
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Big congrats there. I've been smoking for about 20 years. The prices went up drastically in Wisconsin about 2 years ago, and are going up again on April 1st yet again. It's now over double what they were just a couple years back. And going higher.

I want to finally quit for good. But my last few times trying I made it only a month to three months at most. When I'd have extra money, I'd end up breaking down and buying them again because I really never wanted to "quit". I just couldn't affrod them. Same now. So I'm not sure how much resolve I'll have. But I'd love to be a few years removed from them and looking back.
 
Whiplash said:
Big congrats there. I've been smoking for about 20 years. The prices went up drastically in Wisconsin about 2 years ago, and are going up again on April 1st yet again. It's now over double what they were just a couple years back. And going higher.

I want to finally quit for good. But my last few times trying I made it only a month to three months at most. When I'd have extra money, I'd end up breaking down and buying them again because I really never wanted to "quit". I just couldn't affrod them. Same now. So I'm not sure how much resolve I'll have. But I'd love to be a few years removed from them and looking back.
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Cold turkey is the only way! The idea is to be as miserable and as uncomfortable for the two to three weeks that the withdrawals last. After that all you need to do is convince yourself you don't want to go through that again. Works for me :).
 
Didn't want to waste my kilopost on Christopher7.

As Tony Hancock once said, "Do I get a Badge?"

BV
 
bonavada said:
Do I get a Badge?
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Another one?

You look different...

Is it the hat?

And/or have you done something to your hair?

You've shaved! That's it, right?
 
DGM said:
I hope not! I finally quit after 30 years (going on 3 years now). I feel great and I NEVER want to have that "monkey on my back" again. If only I could convince my girl friend :(
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It never goes away. The best option is not to start in the first place but take my word on this once you start it is impossible to stop. Sure, we quit but the craving is always there.

I quit for three years and one weekend we hooked up with old friends we had not seen for years. One of my friends brought along with him 200 cigs for me. Foolishly I thought “hey what the heck, it's only for the weekend". But it wasn't, once the 200 cigs had gone I brought my first package of cigarettes, thinking it was controllable. It isn't, once you do this, as an ex smoker, you become a smoker again.

Like I said the best option is not to start in the first place but if you do start and quit, take my word on this, never ever think you have control of it. You can't, all it takes is for you to buy one package of cigarettes and bingo, you are a smoker again.
 
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Homeland Insurgency said:
Is Wyatt a debunker too?

I'm just trying to keep it all on topic.

Happy Birthday Wyatt!
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You are boring.Seriously you are the most boring poster here, nobody cares what you say.

Hey, in the spirit of this thread I am just trying to keep it all on topic.
 
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stateofgrace said:
You are boring.Seriously you are the most boring poster here, nobody cares what you say.

Hey, in the spirit of this thread I am just trying to keep it all on topic.
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It's funny that you would respond to someone who is boring and you care nothing about.

I really was trying to keep it on topic so that nothing would be removed.

But you keep on the topic of irrelevancy over and over again. Consistency. Congratulations.

BTW.. My Happy Birthday to Wyatt was sincere.
 
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