Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[six7s]

Edited for Rule 12. Attack the argument, not the arguer.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

Just as well none our civic leaders are like that, eh?

 

[paximperium]

So you have no proof that anything in the 27 books of the New Testament has been proven false through archaeology?

No, you don't get to change the topic.

Let's get back to your sexism fueled by religion BS.

"But I believe the bible teaches that man has the final say in a household, and that is a God given authority.
Justify this statement as not calling women second to man. How is that equal?

 

[paximperium]

Just as well none our civic leaders are like that, eh?

Well at least they are able to hide it; DOC is too incompetent to even do that.

 

[DOC]

Edited for Rule 12. Attack the argument, not the arguer.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

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Response to modded post removed

 

[Elizabeth I]

And again you confuse quantity with quality.

You know, there are thousands of big-eyed kid pictures in the world, and only a few Rembrandts.

That doesn't mean the big-eyed kid pictures are better than a Rembrandt.

 

[joobz]

Another post that takes up space and adds nothing to the thread (and also violates Randi's rules).

DOC, there's several issues that you've still failed to address, making this post's intent rather clear.

Let's remind ourselves where we were:
1.) The bible demostrates that Jesus condoned slavery.
2.) Luke (who you call an excellent historian) states that Jesus condones the beating of slaves.

Is there anything you'd like to add regarding these points?

 

[six7s]

But the great thing about the Randi site is that my close to 3000 posts are out there for everyone read. And I have to believe that if anyone reads 1/4 of my 3000 posts and then reads your post they will see that you are one very bitter person.

Yep... seems that you do, indeed, have to believe what is so obviously self-deluding nonsense

I suspect that whenever anyone with at least a modicum of sanity reads more than half a dozen of your posts, they discern that your arguments represent the worldview of liars and fools

Hopefully you will find peace in your life someday.

Hopefully you will find reality in your life someday.

 

[DOC]

And again you confuse quantity with quality.

But one has to ask why is there so much quanity. These threads could never go on as long as they do if I didn't have a lot of ammunition. My close to 3000 posts about Christianity have to have some substance behind them to keep people interested.

 

[Elizabeth I]

But one has to ask why is there so much quanity. These threads could never go on as long as they do if I didn't have a lot of ammunition. My close to 3000 posts about Christianity have to have some substance behind them to keep people interested.

Wow. Your capacity for self-delusion is truly awesome. Do you honestly, really and truly not realize that the vast majority of posts in your threads are from people methodically shredding your fallacies and dishonesties into their constituent atoms?

 

[X]

List all the things in the 27 books of the New Testament that have been proved false through archaeology and give the source. And I might also ask why do archaeologists use the bible as a resource in their work?

Well, how about proof of Jesus existing?
I can't prove a negative.

It is worth pointing out that archeologists no longer rely on the Bible except possibly in passing. It's been proven wrong too many times.
You'll forgive me if I haven't the time to look up a list just yet.

You can show some things are impossible, though.

As you mentioned, Jesus could not possibly have been born at the Time of Herod the great and of Cyrenius as governor, since Cyrenius was appointed governor after Herod had died.
DOC can choose one, or the other, but then he's stuck with a gospel that gets a basic fact of Jesus' birth wrong.
But for both to be right would be impossible, and hence at least one must be false.



And then there's the incident with the pigs.

Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.

Look at a map of where this supposedly took place. It's a village called Gadarenes (Mark 5:1), also referred to as Gerasa.

Click for link to a map

It's there, just North of the Jabbock river.

Tell me if you see any cliffs nearby. Or any sea.

Plainly, this story is either false or so heavily edited as to be indistinguishable from false.

 

[joobz]

But one has to ask why is there so much quanity. These threads could never go on as long as they do if I didn't have a lot of ammunition. My close to 3000 posts about Christianity have to have some substance behind them to keep people interested.

What you are currently doing is called appealing to assumed popularity and appealing to numbers. Using your identical reasoning, one could assume that Jackass:the movie constitutes substantive entertainment. One need not explain beyond that why your appeals are meaningless.


DOC, I respond to your posts because I believe in learning. I do not close my mind to arguments and to ideas. I also post with the hope that you will one day also open your mind to what your arguments are actually saying. As an eternal optimist, I believe that may happen one day.

 

[X]

What you are currently doing is called appealing to assumed popularity and appealing to numbers. Using your identical reasoning, one could assume that Jackass:the movie constitutes substantive entertainment. One need not explain beyond that why your appeals are meaningless.


DOC, I respond to your posts because I believe in learning. I do not close my mind to arguments and to ideas. I also post with the hope that you will one day also open your mind to what your arguments are actually saying. As an eternal optimist, I believe that may happen one day.

Actually, I think the threads get this long because DOC just never gets it. Whether by choice or not, I don't know. But his ability to remain ignorant is astounding.

 

[DOC]

The bible demostrates that Jesus condoned slavery.

If the Jews captured 500 hundred Roman soldiers when they revolted in 66 ad what would you have them do with the soldiers.

1) Kill them

2) Let them go free

3) make them slaves

 

[joobz]

It is worth pointing out that archeologists no longer rely on the Bible except possibly in passing. It's been proven wrong too many times.
You'll forgive me if I haven't the time to look up a list just yet.

You can show some things are impossible, though.

As you mentioned, Jesus could not possibly have been born at the Time of Herod the great and of Cyrenius as governor, since Cyrenius was appointed governor after Herod had died.
DOC can choose one, or the other, but then he's stuck with a gospel that gets a basic fact of Jesus' birth wrong.
But for both to be right would be impossible, and hence at least one must be false.



And then there's the incident with the pigs.

Look at a map of where this supposedly took place. It's a village called Gadarenes (Mark 5:1), also referred to as Gerasa.

Click for link to a map

It's there, just North of the Jabbock river.

Tell me if you see any cliffs nearby. Or any sea.

Plainly, this story is either false or so heavily edited as to be indistinguishable from false.

DOC, here's a wonderful example of why I come to your threads.

I learn from them.

thanks, X!

 

[Lothian]

List all the things in the 27 books of the New Testament that have been proved false through archaeology and give the source.

There is nothing in the New Testament that has been proved wrong by nuclear physics. However the NT is not a nuclear physics book nor is it meant to be an archaeology book. It is meant to provide a moral guide. To the extent that morals can have a right or wrong it is very very wrong.

 

[joobz]

If the Jews captured 500 hundred Roman soldiers when they revolted in 66 ad what would you have them do with the soldiers.

1) Kill them
2) Let them go free
3) make them slaves

So you admit that Jesus (who you call god) condones slavery?

ETA:
And you admit that Jesus (who you call god) condoned of beating slaves who disobeyed a rule. Even rules they didn't know about (provided it was a light beating).

 

[six7s]

But one has to ask why is there so much quanity. These threads could never go on as long as they do if I didn't have a lot of ammunition. My close to 3000 posts about Christianity have to have some substance behind them to keep people interested.

Wow. Your capacity for self-delusion is truly awesome. Do you honestly, really and truly not realize that the vast majority of posts in your threads are from people methodically shredding your fallacies and dishonesties into their constituent atoms?

Indeed!

Furthermore, whilst DOC's incessant regurgitation of the same old same old, sad arsed lies and fallacies does add to the quantity, it detracts from (cf adds to) the quality

 

[DOC]

It is worth pointing out that archeologists no longer rely on the Bible except possibly in passing. It's been proven wrong too many times.
You'll forgive me if I haven't the time to look up a list just yet.

You should take the time, what is your source for your statement that archaeologists no longer rely on the Bible because it has been proven wrong too many times.

 

[DOC]

So you admit that Jesus (who you call god) condones slavery?

ETA:
And you admit that Jesus (who you call god) condoned of beating slaves who disobeyed a rule. Even rules they didn't know about (provided it was a light beating).

I see you didn't answer my question.

 

[joobz]

I see you didn't answer my question.

It's a non-sequitor question combined with a false set of choices. I'd say the right thing to do would be imprisonment or setting free.
but that's not the point here.
I'm not talking about Jews.
I'm not talking about romans.
I'm not talking about historical precedence at the time.

I'm speaking about The person you claim is god in flesh. That Person. That one who should know right from wrong.

So, I ask again,
Do you admit that Jesus (who you call god) condones slavery?
Do you admit that Jesus (who you call god) condoned of beating slaves who disobeyed a rule. Even rules they didn't know about (provided it was a light beating).


ETA: Don't you think it's sad that your best argument you can come up with in defense of this point is
Jesus was too powerless to tell the truth about morality.
or
Jesus was simply the product of his time.