Merged 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[bill smith]

Bill, technically most of the debris was underground. WHen they build the WTC they had to dig down several stories and build a "reverse bathtub" to keep all the water out. So most of the debris ended up in this whole. 9/11 could have been a whole lot worse if the walls of that tub had ruptured. Think about it. If you were going to order a "false flag" attack on New York. Then wouldn't you have also breached the walls of that "tub" to flood lower manhattan.

Luckily the hole was plugged by the base of the tower until he last minute when the collapse wave got there.

 

[beachnut]

So are you suggesting that, like an iceberg , 90% of the rubble was underground ? If not,what percentage do you think WAS underground ? (work from an original 500,000 tons if you like)

The entire WTC was found to be from the ground up; how many floors are in the WTC, you left out the lower floors sitting on the ground.

Oops, the missing rubble; it was there!

You failed to make a valid point on the video, you failed to bring evidence on this topic, and now you fail to understand WTC ruble pile where the WTC came to rest with all the people killed by terrorists you are failing to apologize for with any skill.

 

[The Big Dog]

So are you suggesting that, like an iceberg , 90% of the rubble was underground ? If not,what percentage do you think WAS underground ? (work from an original 500,000 tons if you like)

Well, I'm kinda baffled, did you miss the second part of the post??

In any event, a 12 story tall iceberg floating in a 70 foot deep bathtub, I would conclude that you'd probably see more than 10% of the surface.

 

[beachnut]

Luckily the hole was plugged by the base of the tower until he last minute when the collapse wave got there.

more ruble

The length of time to clean up the WTC disaster, done by terrorist you try to apologize for, was proportional to the amount of WTC found equal to the mass of the WTC. Unless you have some new anti-matter weapon, which stores the massive energy release.

 

[bill smith]

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more ruble

I bet the length of time to clean up the WTC disaster, done by terrorist you try to apologize for, was proportional to the amount of WTC found equal to the mass of the WTC. Unless you have some new anti-matter weapon, which stores the massive energy release.

Is that the whole 500,000 tons ?

 

[bill smith]

Well, I'm kinda baffled, did you miss the second part of the post??

In any event, a 12 story tall iceberg floating in a 70 foot deep bathtub, I would conclude that you'd probably see more than 10% of the surface.

Baffled and confused as you say yurself.

 

[beachnut]

Is that the whole 500,000 tons ?

All the WTC was found, even the wallboard/insulation/ceiling tiles dust. It was all cleaned up.

You must of missed something and now you have a pointless post to add to all you pointless posts with no end insight since your last failed video point that was pointless.

Like 911Truth you have no point save some dumb questions about things you can't tie to a rational conclusion; just your same repeated delusion. You will now ask some silly question again to support you pointless quest to apologize poorly for a terrorist attack.

 

[Macgyver1968]

That it's not there I suppose. Like the 5,000 massive floorpans that the floor concrete was poured into, like the 100,000 tons of structural steel, like the 110 acres of 4" concrete floor, like the 110 acres of rebar reinforcing....that kind of stuff....

I mean..where did it go? How does missing rubble have anything to do with the conspiracy?

 

[bonavada]

Can I suggest that you Bill, take a browse through THIS THREAD the subject of the WTC debris pile was discussed there ad nauseum. Many many images and much interesting information relevant to the subject.

You will encounter the musings of jammonius who seems just as intractable as you, by coincidence. Like I wrote earlier, life is full of them.

BV

 

[beachnut]

And here we have it, a classic no-claimer argument. None of the pretend inconsistencies here could possibly be a result of explosives, thermite, remote controlled planes or any of the other 9/11 truther theories that, while still utterly insane, at least acknowledge the existence of the laws of physics. No, this is full-blown appeal to magic, the suggestion that 9/11 was perpetrated in some unknown way that actually caused solid physical objects to vanish abruptly. The "missing steel" argument is a nosedive into total tinfoil hat, Ace-Baker-is-my-hero, "Judy Would" style gibbering, barking, incoherent insanity. But bill smith doesn't want to give that impression, so he'll stick to the no-claimer position, where if he can invent something that he believes is unexplained, it refutes any position he wants and proves any other he wants.

Bill, I have a prediction: you will never, as long as you live, formulate even the vague beginnings of a self-consistent hypothesis about what happened on 9/11, because your starting points are lies, misinterpretations and misunderstandings. And you will never achieve anything by presenting these arguments other than the respect of those with no judgement, and the amusement of those who understand the subjects you think you're talking about.

Dave

Bill did not comprehend your post. He will continue to repeat failed 911Truth ideas and keeps repeating the same dumb 911Truth empty claim veiled in short questions exposing he did not read and comprehend any posts and not trying to understand just trolling and spewing lies, hearsay, and fantasy he can’t tie to a rational story with a logical conclusion.

 

[bill smith]

All the WTC was found, even the wallboard/insulation/ceiling tiles dust. It was all cleaned up.

You must of missed something and now you have a pointless post to add to all you pointless posts with no end insight since your last fail video point that was pointless.

Like 911Truth you have no point save some dumb questions about things you can't tie to a rational conclusion; just your same repeated delusion. You will now ask some silly question again to support you pointless quest to apologize poorly for a terrorist attack.

Suppose most of the steel never went to China at all ? Suppose that was just a way of explaining where it had all gone without it having to go through American hands that might register the uantities and come up short ? Why China ? hy not America for sentimental reasons if no other ? It's all a big puzzle isn't it ?

 

[Jackanory]

Bill, technically most of the debris was underground. WHen they build the WTC they had to dig down several stories and build a "reverse bathtub" to keep all the water out. So most of the debris ended up in this whole. 9/11 could have been a whole lot worse if the walls of that tub had ruptured. Think about it. If you were going to order a "false flag" attack on New York. Then wouldn't you have also breached the walls of that "tub" to flood lower manhattan.

Sorry, although your intention may be good your explanations need a little more thought and research. Perhaps you should avoid youtube for a while!

Furthermore, photographic evidence of GZ is mostly post clear up stage and tend to show the ground after hundreds of man hours spent sifting and clearing areas in a planned and organised way. Given that a huge % of conspiracy theorists are incapable of research, it goes without saying that they will interpret any information to suit their agenda. They wont even consider the date and time a photo was taken let alone research the date and time a photograph was taken.

 

[debunker9145]

Bill- Are you really Richard Gage by any chance? You sure do lie like him.

 

[beachnut]

Suppose most of the steel never went to China at all ? Suppose that was just a way of explaining where it had all gone without it having to go through American hands that might register the uantities and come up short ? Why China ? hy not America for sentimental reasons if no other ? It's all a big puzzle isn't it ?

Why do you ask dirt dumb questions?
No puzzle here, you are making up ideas with no conclusions, no path for your posts to make a rational story to go with your failed ideas.

What is your point besides posting here instead of Topix. Your post has no point but to ask stupid questions with no goal but to waste me typing for a 1.5 minutes. Goal?

You want to say the steel is missing, but you offer no idea what happen to it.
In a blast from explosives, you still have steel; failure by 911Truth.
Thermite leaves lots of thermite products you have more mass! No thermite Bill just proved it cause it is not in the pile, just the WTC is in the Pile with two jets.
Beam weapon, you still have all the steel because there is no beam weapon big enough.
Nukes, no nukes, even the smallest nuke make a big BANG! No nuke.
The Keebler elves. Yes this works in the fantasyland.
What is the nature of making all the steel you think is missing, missing.

 

[Jackanory]

Suppose most of the steel never went to China at all ? Suppose that was just a way of explaining where it had all gone without it having to go through American hands that might register the uantities and come up short ? Why China ? hy not America for sentimental reasons if no other ? It's all a big puzzle isn't it ?

Did the steel not go through American hands then Bill? Or did the USA bring over hundreds of Chinamen to secretly move this material without weighing it?

Why oh why would anyone want to weigh this material? Why?

Are you now saying that by not weighing the steel before it was removed that this is more damning proof of a cover up?

Bill - Please give me an example of any other disaster or terrorist attack where the wreckage was subsequently checked for the remaining quantity and why this would or should be done!

Words fail me a this point folks

 

[bill smith]

Did the steel not go through American hands then Bill? Or did the USA bring over hundreds of Chinamen to secretly move this material without weighing it?

Why oh why would anyone want to weigh this material? Why?

Are you now saying that by not weighing the steel before it was removed that this is more damning proof of a cover up?

Bill - Please give me an example of any other disaster or terrorist attack where the wreckage was subsequently checked for the remaining quantity and why this would or should be done!



Words fail me a this point folks

Words may not be your strong point. If steel goes through a foundry.....especially the steel from the WTC which is treated with an almost religious respect in America....it is weighed. If this was done with all the remaining steel the calculation would not be difficult. If there was a gross anomaly running into tens of thousands of tons it WOULD be noticed.

 

[beachnut]

Words may not be your strong point. If steel goes trough a foundry.....especially the steel from the WTC which is treated with an almost religous respect in America....it is weighed. If this was done with all the remaining steel the calculation would not be dificult. If here was a gross anomaly running into tens of thousands of tons it WOULD be noticed.

You try to tell a lie and fail. There is no steel missing from the collapse of the WTC.

 

[Jackanory]

Words may not be your strong point. If steel goes trough a foundry.....especially the steel from the WTC which is treated with an almost religious respect in America....it is weighed. If this was done with all the remaining steel the calculation would not be dificult. If here was a gross anomaly running into tens of thousands of tons it WOULD be noticed.

Bold mine. THROUGH! DIFFICULT! THERE!

You lack logic!
You are incapable of research!
You talk THROUGH your backside!
You smile when you lie!
You are a story teller!
You dishonour the dead!
You are lower than a snakes belly!

 

[bill smith]

Bold mine. THROUGH! DIFFICULT! THERE!

You lack logic!
You are incapable of research!
You talk THROUGH your backside!
You smile when you lie!
You are a story teller!
You dishonour the dead!
You are lower than a snakes belly!

I said words, not spelling. Read your own words in this post. You may see what I mean.

 

[beachnut]

I saaid words, not spelling. Read your own words in this post. You may see what I mean.

Your failed delusions; do you have more of these ridiculous ideas on 911?