Megan McCain "Am I Not Worthy Of Being A Member of Republican Party?" -In A Word, NO!

[Brainster]

Libs changing their tune about a person when that person changes their politics is not unusual. David Brock was considered to be a conservative hack until he changed sides on Anita Hill and started up Media Matters. Chris Hitchens was a favorite of liberals before he supported the Iraq War, but now they consider him to be a drunken hack.

I am not so mercurial about Meghan. She was a vacuous vapid vixen before and after she took on A.C.

So you agree with the lib bloggers on Meghan. Good thing we got a real conservative deciding who's worthy of being a member of the Republican party. Of course, we could just as easily ask the lib bloggers; I doubt their vision of the GOP differs much from yours: A small, cranky party that loses elections.

 

[ParanoidAndroid]

Let's slow it down for you. The lib bloggers (Group 'A' libs) made fun of Meghan's apparel, her opinions, and her blog in general. After the A.C. rebuke, she is considered to possibly be a "genuine independent maverick" by the-reaction.blogspot, and she is considered to be a model of the Republican moderate by assorted libs in this thread (Group 'B' libs).

I gave the examples of Brock and Hitchens regarding the mercuruial nature of liberal supporters (Group 'C' libs). Or do you deny this as well?

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Forever tilting at strawmen I see.

Let's slow it down for you:
Premise
- Group 'A' libs critique Meghan
- Meghan critiques right-wing fringe
- Group 'B' libs state some support for Meghan as a moderate Repub
- Group 'C' libs...don't show blanket regard for...2 semi-public political commentators...(I can't tell for sure whether you intended this as part of your premise or as your conclusion???)
Conclusion
- Libs (all inclusive?, Group 'A'?, Group 'B'?, Group 'C'?, some combination of groups 'A', 'B', and/or 'C'?, other?) judge politics based on a person's stances on issues?
- Libs (all inclusive?, Group 'A'?, Group 'B'?, Group 'C'?, some combination of groups 'A', 'B', and/or 'C'?, other?) have no judgment?
- Other?

What do you think this display of “logic” proves about what, exactly?

 

[Dr Adequate]

Libs changing their tune about a person when that person changes their politics is not unusual.

But of course.

The same would go for their mathematics: if someone said that two plus two was twenty-two, then I should say that that person was wrong about arithmetic; if they later admitted that two plus two was four I should say that they were right about arithmetic.

You seem to be suggesting that it would be more consistent to hold the same view of their mathematical abilities under all circumstances; but I find that it betrays less inconsistency to hold the same view of what two plus two is under all circumstances, and to change my view of a person's arithmetic prowess according to whether they get their sums right.

 

[Cicero]

So you agree with the lib bloggers on Meghan. Good thing we got a real conservative deciding who's worthy of being a member of the Republican party. Of course, we could just as easily ask the lib bloggers; I doubt their vision of the GOP differs much from yours: A small, cranky party that loses elections.

That's my vision of the GOP? Source? Just because McCain was a poor candidate doesn't mean I share the libs opinion of the GOP.

M&M posed the question herself about her doubts of being "worthy" of her 8 month membership in the GOP. She even admits she wears her RINO tag as a badge of honor.

"I’m often criticized for not being a “real” Republican, and I have been called a RINO—Republican In Name Only—in the past. Many say I am not “conservative enough,” which is something that I am proud of." M&M

Who are all these people who are hip to M&M's posing as a conservative? Eight months as a registered Republican and she was criticized by "many" for her decidedly non conservative opinions. When "many" people tell you you are drunk, you better lie down.

Even M&M's pop scratches his head at the things his offspring says.

You are confused about what is going on. Now that M&M has rebuked A.C., not only lib bloggers, but JREF lib posters applaud M&M as the Émile Zola of the GOP. Gag me with a spoon!

 

[Allen773]

That's my vision of the GOP? Source? Just because McCain was a poor candidate doesn't mean I share the libs opinion of the GOP.

M&M posed the question herself about her doubts of being "worthy" of her 8 month membership in the GOP. She even admits she wears her RINO tag as a badge of honor.

"I’m often criticized for not being a “real” Republican, and I have been called a RINO—Republican In Name Only—in the past. Many say I am not “conservative enough,” which is something that I am proud of." M&M

Who are all these people who are hip to M&M's posing as a conservative? Eight months as a registered Republican and she was criticized by "many" for her decidedly non conservative opinions. When "many" people tell you you are drunk, you better lie down.

Even M&M's pop scratches his head at the things his offspring says.

You are confused about what is going on. Now that M&M has rebuked A.C., not only lib bloggers, but JREF lib posters applaud M&M as the Émile Zola of the GOP. Gag me with a spoon!

She didn't say that she wears the "RINO" tag proudly. She says she's proud that she's "not conservative enough" for the right-wing nutjobs that have taken over the GOP.

Believe it or not, but the GOP used to have liberal and moderate factions. And it was a better party for it.

 

[Brainster]

That's my vision of the GOP? Source? Just because McCain was a poor candidate doesn't mean I share the libs opinion of the GOP.

I'm not going to argue with you over whether Meghan McCain is an airhead. What I am pointing out is that you're saying she's not worthy of being a member of the Republican Party which is exactly what those liberal bloggers would say, especially after her dissing of Coulter. You would effectively make the party smaller and less likely to win. I'm very much a big tent believer myself. Indeed, I fail to see how reading people out of the party is going to lead to success at the polls.

I know Rush likes to claim that if you can rally the base, you'll win, but for pete's sake even with him and the rest of the drive-along media (Hannity, Levin, Ingraham, Hewitt) bashing McCain left and right throughout 2007 and the early months of 2008, they couldn't muster up enough of the base to derail McCain in the primaries. By what sort of magic was this base going to suddenly rise up and smite Obama?

 

[Cicero]

She didn't say that she wears the "RINO" tag proudly. She says she's proud that she's "not conservative enough" for the right-wing nutjobs that have taken over the GOP. Believe it or not, but the GOP used to have liberal and moderate factions. And it was a better party for it.

Good to see your analysis of the GOP is based on an objective observation.

M&M doesn't deny being a RINO. She just thinks it's chic to be one.

Why are libs like yourself concerned about the ideology of the GOP? Were you thinking of joining it if M&M replaced Steele as the RNC Chairman?

 

[Cicero]

I'm not going to argue with you over whether Meghan McCain is an airhead. What I am pointing out is that you're saying she's not worthy of being a member of the Republican Party which is exactly what those liberal bloggers would say, especially after her dissing of Coulter. You would effectively make the party smaller and less likely to win. I'm very much a big tent believer myself. Indeed, I fail to see how reading people out of the party is going to lead to success at the polls.

I know Rush likes to claim that if you can rally the base, you'll win, but for pete's sake even with him and the rest of the drive-along media (Hannity, Levin, Ingraham, Hewitt) bashing McCain left and right throughout 2007 and the early months of 2008, they couldn't muster up enough of the base to derail McCain in the primaries. By what sort of magic was this base going to suddenly rise up and smite Obama?

What lib bloggers are saying M&M isn't worthy of the GOP because she rebuked A.C.? Libs thought she was enough of a Republican when they dissed her clothing, opinions, and blog. After her rebuke of A.C., they think she is an acceptable Republican.

How am I making the GOP smaller by agreeing with M&M's own assessment of herself? Who are the ones who criticize African Americans for being Republicans? Fellow Republicans or liberals?

Limberger wanted to arrange for "Snipery" Hillary to win the primary. That didn't work either. So what? It would appear Limberger does not have the power over the GOP that the left seems to think he does.

 

[leftysergeant]

After the A.C. rebuke, she is considered to possibly be a "genuine independent maverick" by the-reaction.blogspot, and she is considered to be a model of the Republican moderate by assorted libs in this thread.

She is better than Gingrich and the Coulter critter, but she is still a Republican. That the scare-crow-looking harpy does not like her speaks well of her, and anyone that old bony attacks deserves support just on the enemy-of-my-enemy principle.

I gave the examples of Brock and Hitchens regarding the mercuruial nature of liberal supporters. Or do you deny this as well?

What is mercurial about it? We like her better than the usual slime taking center-stage from the Limbot party these days, but she is still dumb as a post. She just isn't as misanthropic as most of the big-shots in the party.

I would really prefer that the opposition party be made up of people who are wrong and just don't realize it, but still care aboput doing something good for the country, than that they be lead by such sociopaths as Newt, Grover, the Rushblob and the shrieking sort-of-woman thing.

 

[Cicero]

She is better than Gingrich and the Coulter critter, but she is still a Republican. That the scare-crow-looking harpy does not like her speaks well of her, and anyone that old bony attacks deserves support just on the enemy-of-my-enemy principle.

I would hate for facts to get in the way of your daily "I hate Republicans/Conservatives/Anyone not like me" diatribe, but A.C. has not said word one about M&M. Are you now claiming psychic abilities? Rhandii has $1 million waiting for you.

 

[ParanoidAndroid]

I would hate for facts to get in the way of your daily "I hate Republicans/Conservatives/Anyone not like me" diatribe, but...

Surely even someone consistently demonstrating a limited capacity for reason can detect the irony here.

 

[Cicero]

Surely even someone consistently demonstrating a limited capacity for reason can detect the irony here.

You seem to think of yourself as a moderate (liberal? conservative? Independent? NOTA?), yet your only concern with my post is with the first half of the sentence. Why? Does your moderate label preclude you from correcting leftysergeant about his error on A.C. and M&M?

 

[leftysergeant]

I would hate for facts to get in the way of your daily "I hate Republicans/Conservatives/Anyone not like me" diatribe, but A.C. has not said word one about M&M.

The yammering twit was slamming Meghan's father and all moderates for years.

Would I like to see the GOP cease to exist? Of course. They have become useless even as an opposition party and need to be broken up into the fascist and libertarian and theocratic whackadoodle factions into which they have already sorted themselves.

You see, the idea of having an opposition party is to have a dissenting voice to put the brakes on the majority party when they start screwing up.

All the Limbots and the followers of the numbskull Newt and the contemptible little sleaze Grover Norquist have ever even tried to do is destroy all that FDR built.

We need a party to offer some viuable alternatives, not just to throw tantrums and insist that more of the same crap that got us into this mess is going to be good for us.

When the Democrats do screw up (if ever) then there will be a flood of moderates with a brain into whatever successor there is to the sane GOP to give them an attitude adjustment.

 

[ParanoidAndroid]

You seem to think of yourself as a moderate (liberal? conservative? Independent? NOTA?), yet your only concern with my post is with the first half of the sentence. Why? Does your moderate label preclude you from correcting leftysergeant about his error on A.C. and M&M?

I’m an Independent. And, fair question regarding my habit of calling you and BAC and certain others out for their nonsense while not others.

I do find lefty to be consistently somewhat overly emphatic in his allegiance to the far left. I don't find him making posts devoid of logic, reason, and causality (though I don't claim a comprehensive exposure to his posts). Frankly, I can't say the same of you.

I'm perfectly comfortable disagreeing with other posters. What I find harmfully dishonest is when posters make unfounded claims, associations, and derisions and then follow that up with evasive responses or no response when asked for clarification or support. You do this with regularity.

The other contributing factor is that, though a moderate, I do have to guard against a tendency on my part to be biased against what I perceive as a measurably more intrusive (in terms of civil liberties especially) far right. I have slight liberal social leanings and slight conservative fiscal leanings. Long story short: my bias against the far right is likely a large contributor to my decisions regarding to which posts I respond.

I would have similar responses to those supporting the extreme left woo like Greenpeace methodologies and people making documented efforts to remove the right to bear arms entirely, but they don’t seem to bring their brand of BS into my sphere with anywhere near the regularity of the extreme right.

To sum up:
1) I have a bias against unsound, invalid, and vacuous arguments
2) I have a bias against the far right (and to a slightly lesser degree, the far left)
3) The far left doesn’t worm its way into my world nearly as regularly as the far right

Any further discussion of this personal offshoot-topic should probably occur via PM as this falls squarely in the realm of derails.

 

[Cicero]

The yammering twit was slamming Meghan's father and all moderates for years.

You distinctly said that A.C. was attacking Meghan, not her pappy. This is simply not true. Are you going to fess up about screwing the pooch?

 

[Cicero]

I’m an Independent. And, fair question regarding my habit of calling you and BAC and certain others out for their nonsense while not others.

I do find lefty to be consistently somewhat overly emphatic in his allegiance to the far left. I don't find him making posts devoid of logic, reason, and causality (though I don't claim a comprehensive exposure to his posts). Frankly, I can't say the same of you.

I'm perfectly comfortable disagreeing with other posters. What I find harmfully dishonest is when posters make unfounded claims, associations, and derisions and then follow that up with evasive responses or no response when asked for clarification. You do this with regularity.

The other contributing factor is that, though a moderate, I do have to guard against a tendency on my part to be biased against what I perceive as a measurably more intrusive (in terms of civil liberties especially) far right. I have slight liberal social leanings and slight conservative fiscal leanings. Long story short: my bias against the far right is likely a large contributor to my decisions regarding to which posts I respond.

I would have similar responses to those supporting the extreme left woo like Greenpeace methodologies and people making documented efforts to remove the right to bear arms entirely, but they don’t seem to bring their brand of BS into my sphere with anywhere near the regularity of the extreme right.

To sum up:
1) I have a bias against unsound, invalid, and vacuous arguments
2) I have a bias against the far right (and to a slightly lesser degree, the far left)
3) The far left doesn’t worm its way into my world nearly as regularly as the far right

Any further discussion of this personal offshoot-topic should probably occur via PM as this falls squarely in the realm of derails.

What world is this you live in that you are at the mercy of the "far right?" The highlighted section suggests you live in an alternate universe.

 

[ParanoidAndroid]

You've cherry-picked and misunderstood yet again; almost like it's a job.

PM me if you're really interested or find a way to relate this discussion to your OP.

 

[leftysergeant]

You distinctly said that A.C. was attacking Meghan, not her pappy. This is simply not true. Are you going to fess up about screwing the pooch?

Bone face slammed all moderates and the M McCain faction as a class.

 

[Cicero]

Bone face slammed all moderates and the M McCain faction as a class.

ParanoidAndroid would present you with his "logic, reason, and causality" award for your evasion.

 

[leftysergeant]

Meghan feels under attack by the fanatics in the party and raised an objection. We who believe in sound government should rally around her to encourage her to take the position she deserves in the party. (As dumb as she is, her thinking is still more organized and rational than that of the bone little strumpet, thus better fitting her to influence politics for the good of humanity.)