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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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RobRoy said:
What was the criteria for this {100 most influential people in history} list?
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Influence -- while the author, Hart, said Christianity is the #1 religion by the numbers. It currently does not have as much influence in the actual everyday life of its adherents. From memory he also said if more people actually practiced the principles of Christianity in their everyday life, Jesus would have been #1 on the list.
 
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DOC said:
...if more people actually practiced the principles of Christianity in their everyday life, Jesus would have been #1 on the list.
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By the same rationale:
If more people actually practiced the principles of eating their peas with hunny, Winnie The Pooh would be #1 on the list
 
DOC said:
Influence -- while the author, Hart, said Christianity is the #1 religion by the numbers. It currently does not have as much influence in the actual everyday life of its adherents. From memory he also said if more people actually practiced the principles of Christianity in their everyday life, Jesus would have been #1 on the list.
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This, like all other posts you have posted, is a load of bollocks. Please cite firsthand sources showing that Christianity is the #1 religion by the numbers. Hint: what you're citing now isn't a firsthand source.
 
DOC said:
The book was the 100 most influential people in history, not the 100 most important. And I think Western Civilization (and eventually the whole world) will reap the consequences of increasingly putting Christ and religion on the back burner. Read the paper and watch your nightly news -- you can see it happening before your eyes. I predict the farther Christ goes down the list of influential people in the future the more the world will literally and figuratively go to hell.
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No offense, but your prediction is not that interesting, since it goes along nice and neat with your bias. You are only predicting that because you believe Christian values are important, and therefore it follows that you think the world will be worse as it strays from your values. So to be accurate, what you are doing is not predicting anything... you are simply telling us what your values are. But we already know what your values are, so it's not interesting.

Oh, I guess I should respond to the thing you said about looking in the paper, too, since that is a pet peeve of mind. Of course, the term for what you are doing is "confirmation bias," which means if you are looking for something you will find what you are looking for. Other people will mention that, but don't worry about that... you don't need confirmation bias to look in the newspaper and see that the world is constantly getting worse. And that's for an entirely different reason, which has nothing to do with whether the world is actually getting "worse." It's because the nature of the news media is sensationalism. Negative news is always focused on, if it bleeds it leads. So if you open up the paper and see the world going to Hell, maybe that has nothing to do with your Christian values, and everything to do with the nature of the media. Just a thought I think you might want to consider.
 
DOC said:
Influence -- while the author, Hart, said Christianity is the #1 religion by the numbers. It currently does not have as much influence in the actual everyday life of its adherents. From memory he also said if more people actually practiced the principles of Christianity in their everyday life, Jesus would have been #1 on the list.
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Funny how you like to include Catholicism, Mormonism, and all the other sects of Christianity when making a claim such as this, but are more than happy to throw all of them under the bus when discussing True ChristianityTM.

Rather dishonest, wouldn't you say?
 
DOC said:
you can see it happening before your eyes. I predict the farther Christ goes down the list of influential people in the future the more the world will literally and figuratively go to hell.
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Actually, As christ went further down the list, we gained
1.) Women's equality
2.) Racial equality.
3.) Gay equality.
4.) Improved health care.
5.) Improved scientific understanding.


Most importantly, our morality surpassed that of Jesus. This is clearly indicated by our outlawing slavery, a practice that Jesus condoned.
 
Hokulele said:
Funny how you like to include Catholicism, Mormonism, and all the other sects of Christianity when making a claim such as this, but are more than happy to throw all of them under the bus when discussing True ChristianityTM.

Rather dishonest, wouldn't you say?
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A post made of win.
 
Ducky said:
This, like all other posts you have posted, is a load of bollocks. Please cite firsthand sources showing that Christianity is the #1 religion by the numbers. Hint: what you're citing now isn't a firsthand source.
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Your first sentence is a joke considering my last 3 threads have averaged about 40,000 hits. Don't insult the hundreds of people who come into my threads, and your own intelligence in the process.

Here is what Wiki reports are the largest religions

# Religion Number of Adherents
1 Christianity 1.9 billion
2 Islam 1.1 billion
3 Hinduism 781 million
4 Buddhism 324 million
5 Sikhism 19 million
6 Judaism 14 million
7 Bahá'í Faith 6.1 million
8 Confucianism 5.3 million
9 Jainism 4.9 million
10 Shinto 2.8 million

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups


And if you don't like Wiki site here is another

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
 
L The Detective said:
No offense, but your prediction is not that interesting, since it goes along nice and neat with your bias. You are only predicting that because you believe Christian values are important, and therefore it follows that you think the world will be worse as it strays from your values. So to be accurate, what you are doing is not predicting anything... you are simply telling us what your values are. But we already know what your values are, so it's not interesting.
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But if Christianity is true, then my values are right, and my prediction will be right over the long run. It is very much a prediction.
 
DOC said:
Your first sentence is a joke considering my last 3 threads have averaged about 40,000 hits. Don't insult the hundreds of people who come into my threads, and your own intelligence in the process.
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Actually you are insulting everyones intelligent by your blatant hypocrisy and dishonesty.

Are you deluded enough to believe that people reading your threads supporting your pile of garbage? People are reading your thread and laughing at you.


Who do do you classify as "Christians"?
 
DOC said:
Your first sentence is a joke considering my last 3 threads have averaged about 40,000 hits. Don't insult the hundreds of people who come into my threads, and your own intelligence in the process.

Here is what Wiki reports are the largest religions

# Religion Number of Adherents
1 Christianity 1.9 billion
2 Islam 1.1 billion
3 Hinduism 781 million
4 Buddhism 324 million
5 Sikhism 19 million
6 Judaism 14 million
7 Bahá'í Faith 6.1 million
8 Confucianism 5.3 million
9 Jainism 4.9 million
10 Shinto 2.8 million

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups


And if you don't like Wiki site here is another

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
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The number of views to your threads is not an indication of whether you are accurate and truthful in your posts, ace.

Now, you've cited those numbers. Let's examine them. All versions of Christianity are lumped into one category, yet people like you do not consider them the same. Let's split everything apart into the various flavors and look.

What is your specific flavor of Christianity and how many followers worldwide does it have?

Of the Christian flavors, Catholicism has the most adherents at 1.2 Billion. Are you a Catholic? I ask because all other flavors of Christianity are measured in millions, and the next largest is Protestants at 640 million followed by the Eastern Orthodox Church at 240 million.

So are you a catholic Doc? Please answer honestly. I ask because if you are not your appeal to popularity is a joke (Of course, an appeal to popularity is a joke to begin with, as it is a logical fallacy.)

Also, if you lump it into "Christians" vs. "Non Christians" then you are by no means the majority even if you are going to choose to include those versions of Christianity you see as false.

Now sweetheart, you gonna answer me on this, or avoid it?

PS: Wikipedia still isn't a firsthand source. Neither is adherents.com. Do you still not understand what a firsthand source is?
 
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Hokulele said:
Funny how you like to include Catholicism, Mormonism, and all the other sects of Christianity when making a claim such as this, but are more than happy to throw all of them under the bus when discussing True ChristianityTM.

Rather dishonest, wouldn't you say?
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Catholicism is mainline Christianity as are most of the Protestant religions. I never said it wasn't. Mormonism is based on the teaching of Christ so it should be included even though I strongly disagree with some of there doctrines. Mormonism is closer to mainline Christianity than it is to other religions.

And I assume you have no problem bunching agnostics and atheists in the same group.
 
DOC said:
But if Christianity is true, then my values are right, and my prediction will be right over the long run. It is very much a prediction.
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I see you've fallen to the "if christianity is true" view of reality instead of "christianity is true". This is good progress. Realizing that there's a possibility that your entire religion is false isn't something easy to get past, but once you do and are able to look at the evidence with an honest, critical set of eyes, you'll see what we've been trying to tell you all along.
 
DOC said:
Catholicism is mainline Christianity as are most of the Protestant religions. I never said it wasn't. Mormonism is based on the teaching of Christ so it should be included even though I strongly disagree with some of there doctrines. Mormonism is closer to mainline Christianity than it is to other religions.

And I assume you have no problem bunching agnostics and atheists in the same group.
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So you are a hypocrite because you will claim those portions of Christianity as a whole to bolster your claim of popular numbers and yet still claim that those portions you are using to bolster your numbers is false.
 
DOC said:
I'll say 1,2,3, and 5 are Christian. I'm not familiar with the others so I won't comment on them.
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So you don't know about your own faith? Since you're using them for your numbers by citing that source, you should obviously know them, right?

Why are they false and your flavor isn't, but you can use all of the numbers to defend your claims?

If you only use the numbers from the ones you cited, Islam has more adherents.
 
joobz said:
I see you've fallen to the "if christianity is true" view of reality instead of "christianity is true".
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I'm only saying that for argument sake, since this is a skeptic site. I definitely believe Christianity is true. Haven't you read my threads.
 
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