Simple question for Bigfoot enthusiasts: Why no unambiguous photos/videos?

[Vortigern99]

Thanks for the clarifications, Correa Neto and all. I think I've got what I need to start writing a detailed rebuttal/follow-up to my first AnomaylMag article.

May I request permission from the contributors to this thread to paraphrase your various points and questions? Particularly if I list either your real names or your internet aliases (your choice)?

I'll post a similar question in the P/G thread Part 3.

 

[kitakaze]

Thanks for the clarifications, Correa Neto and all. I think I've got what I need to start writing a detailed rebuttal/follow-up to my first AnomaylMag article.

May I request permission from the contributors to this thread to paraphrase your various points and questions? Particularly if I list either your real names or your internet aliases (your choice)?

I'll post a similar question in the P/G thread Part 3.

I trust your engagement and attention to detail in this discussion will result in a fine article.

You certainly have my permisson.

Kitakaze at the NSA JREF will be fine.

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

And you can call Giganto a Bigfoot-type creature if ALL you need is big and ape but...

That's not true, kitty.

"Big" and "Ape" are not all there is to Giganto's fossils.

There is also the shape of the lower jaw, which, as Grover Krantz explains in his book, 'Bigfoot Evidence', indicates an upright posture, due to it's widening at the back.


Just that indication alone....even though it doesn't rise to the level of 'proof'.....creates a certain 'degree of probability' that Giganto walked upright.

Giganto's true posture is not known, so there is a chance it may have been bipedal.
A 'chance'....with a reason behind it.

 

[kitakaze]

There is also the shape of the lower jaw, which, as Grover Krantz explains in his book, 'Bigfoot Evidence', indicates an upright posture, due to it's widening at the back.

You gotta learn some new moves, old boy.



Sorry, who said what in his what book? Give me a source that didn't get fooled with hoaxes and play Bigfoot science.

All you got is big and ape. I'll stick with the experts, thanks:

Locomotion

Ciochon et al., (1990) speculate that given its size Gigantopithecus blacki was a ground dwelling ape, probably a knuckle walker, though it could just as easily been a fist walker, the exact nature of its locomotion is impossible to ascertain from mandibles. Given its mass it could not have been a gibbon-like brachiator.

http://www.wynja.com/arch/gigantopithecus.html

*flush*

Bye-bye, stinky.

 

[kitakaze]

Here's a Giganto jawbone next to a human:

http://www.uiowa.edu/~bioanth/jaw.jpg

Doesn't look like the jaw of a biped to me. I know a lot about anthropology but I'm no scientist, only an enthusiast. I know I'll need better than the opinion of a guy we knew to be blinded by a pursuit of Bigfoot to make me think otherwise.

But wait a second. How come that jawbone looks like nothing we see on Patty if Patty is supposed to be a real Bigfoot and thus a Giganto descendant?

ETA: BTW, Sweaty, why no unambiguous photos/videos of Bigfoot? You actually believe Bigfoot is in New York state so what's the deal?

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

ETA: BTW, Sweaty, why no unambiguous photos/videos of Bigfoot?
You actually believe Bigfoot is in New York state so what's the deal?

That would be because of one of 2 basic reasons....either there is no Bigfoot in NY, or, because there is a small population of Bigfoot, but it's very rarely seen, in an area consisting of millions of acres of forests.


You say that I "believe" Bigfoot is in NY....but it's not a matter of simple "belief".

I think that there is a 'high probability' of Bigfoot's existence in NY.....but despite the odds, or probability.....it may not exist in that area.

In neither case ('pro' or 'con') is Bigfoot's existence a known 'quantity'.

 

[kitakaze]

That would be because of one of 2 basic reasons....either there is no Bigfoot in NY, or, because there is a small population of Bigfoot, but it's very rarely seen, in an area consisting of millions of acres of forests.


You say that I "believe" Bigfoot is in NY....but it's not a matter of simple "belief".

I think that there is a 'high probability' of Bigfoot's existence in NY.....but despite the odds, or probability.....it may not exist in that area.

In neither case ('pro' or 'con') is Bigfoot's existence a known 'quantity'.

You must have some bizarre idea of what dictates a high probability. But I knew that. Tell us, what is your rationalization for giving Bigfoot a high probability of existence in New York? These creatures need to maintain a viable breeding population, seek out and obtain the many thousands of calories they need in a day, survive New York winters, and do it all without ever having yielded a type specimen to science. How can you explain that?

Also, many more people in New York claim alien encounters so which is more probable?

 

[rockinkt]

Just wanted to point out what a fossil really is in case someone tries to jump down your throat for being "too liberal" when in fact your definition is perfectly accurate.
Carry on!

Sometimes fossils are found in groups...

 

[Correa Neto]

Ah, but would those be sedimentary stones?

 

[Correa Neto]

Correa Neto wrote:



Is the lack of fossil remains of Giganto (a Bigfoot-type creature), a serious problem for it's existence...in ye days of old?

I guess you mean back in time when they were not extinct. Oh, its a philosophical "what if" question! I'll answer with three questions!

Who was there back then to experience the qualia created by gigantopithecus' existence?

Are these qualia independent of the experiencer?

An observer, there back then would be able to obtain reliable evidence of gigantopithecus' existence?

Now, lets discuss P-zombies P-zoobies.

 

[Correa Neto]

Vort, you may use the material I wrote. Note that I'm dumb enough to use my real name here...

 

[xblade]

I think that there is a 'high probability' of Bigfoot's existence in NY.....but despite the odds, or probability.....it may not exist in that area.

Because of the odds, or probability, bigfoot probably doesn't exist in NY...or anywhere else for that matter.

In neither case ('pro' or 'con') is Bigfoot's existence a known 'quantity'.

It is as known as mermaids, leprechauns, Santa Claus, and unicorns. How known that is depends on who you ask I guess.

 

[kitakaze]

I guess you mean back in time when they were not extinct. Oh, its a philosophical "what if" question! I'll answer with three questions!

And in typical Sweaty fashion we should see him prancing about singing that you failed to answer his question and that only a "yes" or "no" is required.

I really hope he does this. I'll be waiting. I don't think he will, though. Sweaty has begun to learn those tactics blow up in his face. He will more likely just back away real quiet like.

 

[kitakaze]

You say that I "believe" Bigfoot is in NY....but it's not a matter of simple "belief".

It is belief with you, Sweaty. I can absolutely show that. It's not about reliable evidence. It's not about facts. Joyce is not reliable evidence. You believe her. You believe the people who say they've seen Bigfoot. I dare you to bring up Joyce again. Try proving that is not about belief with you and we'll explain it carefully once again. Will you be able to deal with it or just run away again?

I think that there is a 'high probability' of Bigfoot's existence in NY.....but despite the odds, or probability.....it may not exist in that area.

Yes, let's hear these odds.

 

[JcR]

David Paulides, at 7:10 talks about Bigfoot and game cams

 

[sanguine]

David Paulides, at 7:10 talks about Bigfoot and game cams

It's too bad that audiologist didn't just bag the game cam and put a plain old web cam out watching his back yard. I mean, if bigfoot is visiting your back yard, you don't really need a game cam, right?

 

[JcR]

It's too bad that audiologist didn't just bag the game cam and put a plain old web cam out watching his back yard. I mean, if bigfoot is visiting your back yard, you don't really need a game cam, right?

Some Garlic stuffed with some extra strength laxatives. Set up your web cam
and your good to go.

To add-Follow up pictures are too graphic.

 

[marlborough]

Why Are All BF Photos Of The Blobsquatch Variety?

Consider the following scenario, a person is walking through the woods and hears twigs snapping and leaves rustling. They can't see what's generating the noise, but the pro-squatch side of the brain just aching to see Bigfoot manipulates all the dark shadows, abstract shapes and other canopy distortions into a 900 pound lump of bi-pedal primate flesh.

Unfortunately, a camera doesn't have the benefit of an over active imagination, paranoia or the ability to exaggerate details. It can't succumb to a child-like obsession of wanting to see our overweight ape. So what the camera photographs, is exactly what the eyewitness actually saw. Just a bunch of odd looking shapes and shadows. We now have yet another blobsquatch photo to add to the album.

Perhaps this is why so many sighting are not reported until decades after the encounter. Certain details at the time of the sighting that suggested it was not a BF sighting are forgotten and the sub-conscious obsession of Sasquatch is permitted to fill in the blanks. Viola, an undisputable BF sighting is born and it can be added to the database.

 

[Biscuit]

I think there are no photos of bigfoot because it is very very hard to get close to large apes in the wild. Look closely in the right foreground of this picture and if you use an open mind and tilt your head and squint you will see a large mountain ape. There is a second in the background to the left but it could just be trees and branches looking like an ape.

http://web.me.com/ilkawallace/Site/Our_Albums/Pages/Rwanda.html#122


These were taken by my sister-in-law while in rwanda on a recent trip. She has assured me she used only the "enhance" feature in preview and no other photoshopping. I am certain she would not mind me sharing them. Lots of great ape pics.

 

[kitakaze]

I like the old Scott Herriott video (starts around 4:00):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcl3wx27XC4

Blobsquatch made me cry!