He4lp from Catholic Scholars?

[rwguinn]

Need a little help trying to understand a Catholic dude.

1. Gallileo was wrong. God created the world at the center of the universe
2. There has been no real Pope since before Pope Paul V. The current Vatican Resident is an anti-pope
3. Nobody in Office in DC can be a Catholic if they swear to uphold the Constitution without specifying exceptions for those parts that conflict with (his particular brand of )Catholic Doctrine (Dogma?)
4. Following Christ and his teachings is all that matters
5. there are only 12000 "true Catholics" in the world. Everybody else is condemned to the burny place.
6. If the US were a Catholic Theocracy (his version, I bet), all of the world's problems would be solved.
Whatinhell is this guy (Trivial solution is hereby rejected in advance)

 

[MG1962]

1. This was a presumption based on the current cosmological model, invented by an Eygptian scientist about 1500 years earlier.

5. Huh?.........Thats based on?

The rest.......well whatever.....we eat babies too, lightly roasted with a mild cheese sauce

 

[rwguinn]

1. This was a presumption based on the current cosmological model, invented by an Eygptian scientist about 1500 years earlier.

5. Huh?.........Thats based on?

The rest.......well whatever.....we eat babies too, lightly roasted with a mild cheese sauce

I prefer cream gravy...
I have a large contingent of Catholic friends. Best Man and Maid of Honor at my wedding (as I was Best Man at his) are Still Catholic--we vacation with them every year. This in spite of the fact that I am a Methodist who has sort of "sauntered down hill" (Thanks, Pterry)
They have no clue either...
Just wondering if anybody has heard of this cult?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

I'm pretty up on Catholic doctrine, and these items bear no resemblance to it.

 

[geni]

Need a little help trying to understand a Catholic dude.

1. Gallileo was wrong. God created the world at the center of the universe

The Tychonic system was popular for a while and in theory could be extended to include moveing stars although I'm not sure why you would bother.

2. There has been no real Pope since before Pope Paul V. The current Vatican Resident is an anti-pope

There are a number of groups or individuals who have at various times decided that popes stoped being legit after a certian point. A breack at Paul V though would be unusal.

3. Nobody in Office in DC can be a Catholic if they swear to uphold the Constitution without specifying exceptions for those parts that conflict with (his particular brand of )Catholic Doctrine (Dogma?)

Common theme for certian relgious groups is that their belifes conflict some things a goverment does thus they cannot work for that govemerment. As positions go it is not unreasonable but not common amoung mainstream catholics.

4. Following Christ and his teachings is all that matters

The catholic church would beg to differ. For example paul would be considered to have significant influence.

5. there are only 12000 "true Catholics" in the world. Everybody else is condemned to the burny place.

There are Traditionalist Catholic groups that are likely more than 12K in size but most draw the line at VC2 and not stuff centuries before that.

6. If the US were a Catholic Theocracy (his version, I bet), all of the world's problems would be solved.

Probably true. Nuclear crusades are unlikely to leave enough human beings left to have much in the way of problems.

Whatinhell is this guy (Trivial solution is hereby rejected in advance)

Modern Conciliarism perhaps? The dates fit to an extent (Council of Constance).

 

[X]

Need a little help trying to understand a Catholic dude.

1. Galileo was wrong. God created the world at the center of the universe

The Catholic church forgave Galileo, and has recognized the heliocentric model as correct for some time now. The formal apology was issued by Pope John Paul II in the year 2000. Bear in mind that the Galileo affair was a little more complicated than saying the Earth goes around the sun. He kept pressuring the church to take an official stand, and the church was reluctant, in case it got stung. At least, that's my understanding.
Your friend is a bit behind the times. A century or three, at least.

2. There has been no real Pope since before Pope Paul V. The current Vatican Resident is an anti-pope

Not recognizing the Pope is part of protestantism. There are more issues, but that's one of them.
I don't know what to make of the "anti-pope" thing. To be fair, Ratzinger isn't exactly popular. Looking like Emperor Palpatine and uttering nonsense like he has (not just recently) won't endear you to the masses.
Frankly, I think your friend is a little upset with the way the church has been run the last 400 years.

3. Nobody in Office in DC can be a Catholic if they swear to uphold the Constitution without specifying exceptions for those parts that conflict with (his particular brand of) Catholic Doctrine (Dogma?)

I'm sorry, I need more information. What parts of the Constitution would conflict with his brand of Catholic Doctrine?

4. Following Christ and his teachings is all that matters

Sounds pretty Catholic. That, being baptized, and going to confession.

5. there are only 12000 "true Catholics" in the world. Everybody else is condemned to the burny place.

Is he perhaps not Roman Catholic?
There are a few other Catholic sects out there.

6. If the US were a Catholic Theocracy (his version, I bet), all of the world's problems would be solved.

Most religious fundamentalists would say the same thing, if you only replaced "Catholic" with their particular belief system.

Whatinhell is this guy (Trivial solution is hereby rejected in advance)

Trivial solution seems most likely.

However,it's possible he belongs to a fringe-sect of Catholicism.



Handy



ETA: I'm not Catholic, but I did go to a Roman Catholic school from grades 1 to 8. My dad and his side of the family are the Catholics.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

The Catholic church forgave Galileo, and has recognized the heliocentric model as correct for some time now. The formal apology was issued by Pope John Paul II in the year 2000. Bear in mind that the Galileo affair was a little more complicated than saying the Earth goes around the sun. He kept pressuring the church to take an official stand, and the church was reluctant, in case it got stung. At least, that's my understanding.
Your friend is a bit behind the times. A century or three, at least.

To be fair, Gallileo was kind of a jerk and wrote a defense of his theory with a character who was a thinly veiled stand in for the pontiff, and who sounded like a complete moron. Lèse majesté, especially that blatant, public, and after having received a warning, was guaranteed to piss off the pope.

 

[Neverfly]

The Catholic church forgave Galileo, and has recognized the heliocentric model as correct for some time now. The formal apology was issued by Pope John Paul II in the year 2000. Bear in mind that the Galileo affair was a little more complicated than saying the Earth goes around the sun. He kept pressuring the church to take an official stand, and the church was reluctant, in case it got stung. At least, that's my understanding.

Your understanding is not quite accurate.
Galileo was teaching his heliocentric views. Galileo was coming under pressure for teaching heliocentric views. He did go to the church to try to persuade them to not ban his teachings.
Now, Galileo DID defend his science. But the church asked him to avoid the subject (They did not ban it, nor accept it.) and he did avoid it for quite a while.
When a new pope came along, that was also a friend of Galileo and supporter, Galileo wrote a book on Heliocentric views.
However, it seems Galileo gaffed in writing his book, making it appear as the the Pope had endorsed Heliocentric ideas and also in misrepresenting the popes actual words using a fictional character. Most likely, it was not done deliberately.
Nonetheless, the church took great offense.
THAT was when his book was banned and he was tried for Heresy.

 

[MG1962]

To be fair, Gallileo was kind of a jerk and wrote a defense of his theory with a character who was a thinly veiled stand in for the pontiff, and who sounded like a complete moron. Lèse majesté, especially that blatant, public, and after having received a warning, was guaranteed to piss off the pope.

Yeah I think the whole issue was less about the science and more about the personalities. Yes Gallileo did act a little anti social, and a few of the Church leaders were gunning for the man not the concept as well.

But in the end it did work out for the best. Although it took a while, the Church did learn a number of lessons from this.

 

[drkitten]

2. There has been no real Pope since before Pope Paul V. The current Vatican Resident is an anti-pope

Could this guy be an anti-Vatican II conservative catholic? That would mean he doesn't know his numbering (or you're misremembering), but there's a lot of stuff out there about Paul VI being an antipope. They also seem to go on and on about "true Catholics."

So my bet is he's one of these.

Or, more trivially,.... a wingnut.