I own a gun!

GreNME said:
I believe you. And yeah, there are definitely more working firearms than non-functional that are collectible.
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ARRRRRG. I meant to say that functional collectable guns outnumber nonfunctional collectable guns. Right or wrong, it is not important to the discussion at hand.

Ranb
 
RoboTimbo said:
Let me know when you overcome that one.
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Reading isn't just fun, it's fundamental!

If you're going to persist in refusing to call a spade a spade, then I could write you a long dissertation and it wouldn't matter. I can't change your mind, I can only give you the information to allow you to change your own.

ETA: Ranb, I agree also with your addendum. No need to be frustrated there. :)
 
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GreNME said:
Reading isn't just fun, it's fundamental!

If you're going to persist in refusing to call a spade a spade, then I could write you a long dissertation and it wouldn't matter. I can't change your mind, I can only give you the information to allow you to change your own.

ETA: Ranb, I agree also with your addendum. No need to be frustrated there. :)
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Well, I tried. If you can't see it, I can't make you see it.
 
Repeating whatever I say but changing the words isn't really very convincing. It's like answering a question with another question.
 
GreNME said:
You have an awfully high opinion of yourself. Good for you! :D
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Not at all (or at least not for any reason stated here . . . .) Its a matter of physics. The same reason in professional sports you do not pair a heavy weight with a feather weight and expect it to be fair, if you do not understand the distinction of my argument, perhaps you should reread my post.

If size was in any way a demonstration of my self image, then It would be an interesting dichotomy given my prevalence toward pacifism would It not?
 
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Ranb said:
It is because, "that when a gun comes into play in any situation other than shooting targets then the implication is that the person holding the gun intends for whomever it gets pointed at to die." Not my words, someone elses; on this forum, in this thread. I'm not claiming that the above person really believes that your hobby is a threat to another person's life, but some others certainly think so.
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Said person is right though. One of the most basic rules of gun safety is "never point a gun at something you aren't willing to destroy."
 
Okay the Ruby Ridge incident was do to him doing it and selling the service without a proper permit, which is required to posses and sell a sawed-off shotgun.
 
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GreNME said:
This would be an acceptable argument, except for the fact that, unlike a car or a chair, the only purpose of a gun is to kill.
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This bears repeating: You're wrong.

ETA: And apparently you are quite insistent on remaining wrong...

GreNME said:
However, attempting to ignore the fact that the skill being tested is the skill to accurately fire a weapon whose only purpose is to kill would be a folly.
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The Painter said:
I think you need to read up on Ruby Ridge.
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Yup. Possession of a shotgun with a barrel under 18 inches or an overall length less than 26 inches without a stamp-taxed permit from the ATF (and you need to pass a serious background check to qualify) gets you in deep doo doo if you're caught with it.

That's why the 18.5'' ones are so popular for home defense (yes, I have one in pump action).
 
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RoboTimbo said:
I don't see people from Arizona on here telling Euros that they should go around armed. I would only ask the same consideration in return from them.
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Exactly

As a fellow arizonan, though not a gun owner, I appreciate the opinion from other places, but comparing a continent wide parking lot with police everywhere to a place like here where nature itself can and will pose an often lethal barrier to getting timely anything is worse than apples and oranges.

I certainly can't speak for all americans, because unlike what many euros think, it is a very large and diverse place. Here in arizona there is a long standing meme that you better be able to take care of yourself and do what you can for your neighbors, because the police are never too close at hand
 
The Painter said:
I think you need to read up on Ruby Ridge.
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I wasn't aware that there was a lower-end limit. Then again, I don't saw off shotguns and don't follow all the laws. I'm willing to accept that I was wrong.

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GeeMack said:
This bears repeating: You're wrong.

ETA: And apparently you are quite insistent on remaining wrong...
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I'm not wrong just because you say so, but it would be fabulous if you could share why you think so. Bringing up the Olympic (and other) sporting events is going to bring us around in circles, because many of those same sporting events (including at least one session of the Olympics) involved shooting live game before it was decided instead to use targets.

The purpose of a gun is to kill, the purpose of a plane is to fly, the purpose of a gun is to drive, the purpose of a hammer is to pound in (and sometimes remove) nails. A spade is a spade is a spade. There's nothing wrong with having fun not killing with an instrument designed purposefully to kill, otherwise a whole lot of things would be illegal.

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Xulld said:
Not at all (or at least not for any reason stated here . . . .) Its a matter of physics. The same reason in professional sports you do not pair a heavy weight with a feather weight and expect it to be fair, if you do not understand the distinction of my argument, perhaps you should reread my post.

If size was in any way a demonstration of my self image, then It would be an interesting dichotomy given my prevalence toward pacifism would It not?
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It would be interesting indeed. I was just razzin ya, because I find guys talking about their physical prowess to be funny. I've had some martial arts training as well, but I'd count on good-ole-fashioned dirty tricks in most street situations, and there are a helluva lot of 'equalizers' that aren't firearms (depending on the situation) that can take away a size, speed, reach, or other advantage. I learned years ago that it doesn't take much to lay you (or, in my experience, me) out given the proper leverage. Most people just need to learn how to make use of that leverage (and I ain't talkin the physics type).

To all the self-defense types: I promise you, without a shadow of a doubt, that no matter what situation you can think of where a firearm can give you the upper hand that in a real-life situation you can count on maybe half that efficacy, at best. The same applies to other weapons as well as physical attributes like strength, height, and skill in martial arts. The best way out of a victimization situation is not overwhelming force (though it can be nice), but being able to remain calm and identifying the most efficient way out of the path of danger. Sometimes that means giving up your wallet, other times it may mean shoving your thumb into someone's eye socket, or a number of things in-between and different. Nothing is going to make you completely prepared every time you walk out the door. Nothing. Assuming otherwise is usually people's first mistake.
 
fullflavormenthol said:
Okay the Ruby Ridge incident was do to him doing it and selling the service without a proper permit, which is required to posses and sell a sawed-off shotgun.
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Interesting article on Weaver here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Weaver . Bad things on both sides of that conflict. Weaver claimed he sold the shotguns with the barrels at a legal length. He was aquitted of the charge of transferring a short barreled shotgun without a license (or tax stamp).

Ranb
 
GreNME said:
the purpose of a gun is to drive
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Got that right, youngster.
 
Why do all the gun threads lead me to imagining all the guns I want?
 
Philosopher




Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 9,024 My Arsenal at the moment:

1 Brown Bess Tower Musket.
1 Hawkins Muzzle loading Rifle (as shown in "Jeremiah Johnson)
1 Three Banded Enfield Rifle Musket (as shown in "GLory")
1 Flintlock Pistol
1.Navy Colt Cap and Ball Revolver
1 Colt .45 "Peacemaker" revolver (as shown in endless Westerns)
1 Winchester Level Action rifle (as shown in "WInchester 73" and "Shaun Of the Dead")
One Scattergun for Bird Hunting.
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And if you call right now, we'll throw in the potato peeler AND the 25 piece cutlery set for free!!!:D
 
Oliver said:
For what irrefutable important reason should someone own a gun since I grew up in the most restrictive Country in the world concerning gun ownership [Germany] and I never got into a situation where I thought that the restrictions are bad in any way whatsoever?
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Guns are fun for shooting targets, cans, and other inanimate objects.

Plus they scare away burglars and Santa. And they can be used if the USA is taken over by a fascist Republican regime.....again.

:D

I own a pellet gun. I would buy a rifle if NYC didn't require a $300 firearm permit. Damn socialism.
 
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