Why didn't osama bin laden just hit Israel?

[Skeptic]

(Sigh)

Look, folks, in "malcolmxwarrior" we have yet another "freedom fighter" and "opponent of imperialism" who is a enthusiastic supporter of those whose goal is an entirely unfree and opressive Islamic empire. Why? His reasons, as he openly admits in this and other threads, is hatered and fear of Jews, who, he claims, control the world (in this case, through their "control" of the USA), worship the evil Talmud, "mutliate their children" (through circumcision), etc.

His greater frankness is probably due simply to lesser intelligence: for example, he doesn't seem to know "peaceful" Islam practices circumcision just as much as "mutilating" Judaism does, or what "the Talmud" he hates so much IS, let alone what's in it. As for his "analysis" of US foreign policy -- it's all a giant plot to help Israel, run by the Jews who control the USA -- the less said, the better. Even the dimmer bulbs among the useful idiots usually have enough brains not to claim EVERYTHING the USA did in the last 60 years in mideast foreign policy is part of a giant Jewish plot, as malcolmxwarrior apparently does.

But apart from his greater frankness (due to lesser intelligence), his motive -- hatered of Jews -- is, alas, just the same as that of quite a large percentage of the "anti-Imperialist freedom fighting" supporters of Islamic terrorism. Not all of them are like that -- some of them are just 60s would-be revolutionaries who are reflexively against anything that's American, for example. But quite a few, indeed a large percentage, ARE like "malcolmxwarrior" in their "Jews are evil and control the world" views, only they try to hide it (slightly) better by saying "Zionists are evil" or "AIPAC controls the world" instead of what they obviously really think.

 

[malcolmxwarrior]

They're terrorists because of their methods, not their motives.

I believe Howard zinn said terror is an act of war.

Makes sense to me.

Lot's of devils in the world today gumboot.

The CIA the US military, the IDF, the Mossad, shin bet, islamic jihad, rebels in africa, al-CIAda in somalia.

They're all devils gumboot. Screw 'em all. When they meet their maker they better have a heck of a speech.

 

[malcolmxwarrior]

(Sigh)

Look, folks, in "malcolmxwarrior" we have yet another "freedom fighter" and "opponent of imperialism" who is a enthusiastic supporter of those whose goal is an entirely unfree and opressive Islamic empire. Why? His reasons, as he openly admits in this and other threads, is hatered and fear of Jews, who, he claims, control the world (in this case, through their "control" of the USA), worship the evil Talmud, "mutliate their children" (through circumcision), etc.

He is more frank in his admissions than the average "anti- American Imperialism / anti-Zionism / freedom fighting" useful idiot, probably because he is also more dumb than the average "anti-American Imperialism / anti-Zionism / freedom fighting" useful idiot: he doesn't seem, for example, to not even know what "the Talmud" he hates so much IS (let alone what's in it), and is apparently unaware circumcision is also a Muslim religious custom, as he praises "peaceful" Islam and condemns "mutilating" Judaism.

But apart from his greater frankness (due, apparently, to lesser intelligence), his motive -- hatered of Jews -- is, alas, just the same as that of quite a large percentage of the "anti-Imperialist freedom fighting" supporters of Islamic terrorism. Not all of them are like that -- some of them are just 60s would-be revolutionaries who are reflexively against anything that's American, for example. But quite a few, indeed a large percentage, ARE like "malcolmxwarrior" in their "Jews are evil and control the world" views, only they try to hide it (slightly) better by saying "Zionists are evil" or "AIPAC controls the world" instead of what they obviously really think.

This israeli agent is getting mad at me exposing the truth.

This is good.

Lame attempt to discredit me bro. Lame.

I'm must be doing something right if I'm on their radar.

Go back to the ADL dude. I'm not afraid of your written attacks.

 

[malcolmxwarrior]

Also, I don't want an islamic empire. Just like I don't want an one world communist zionist world government.

I just don't like people that use islam as a scapegoat. It's not evil islam, it's evil people.

I have many many friends that follow islam and they are very peaceful.

 

[Skeptic]

egslim:

The big mistake you're making is that you think the Palestinians fight Israel so they will get a Palestinian state. The opposite is the case, as is openly and repeatedly expressed by them, as well as by Arafat's "Staged plan", the Palestinian constitution, Hamas' charter, etc., etc.: they only want a Palestinian state so they can use it to continue to fight Israel until it disppears completely.

It is this desire for genocide that caused the refugee problem in the first place -- the Palestinians joined the entire Arab world in an attack on the state of Israel with the intention of throwing the Jews into the sea.

It is this desire for genocide that caused "the occupation" in the first place -- the jordians, Syrians, and Egyptians planning an all-out three front war on Israel in 1967 in order to throw the Jews into the sea.

It is this desire for genocide that is the reason there isn't a Palestinian state now -- Arafat rejecting just such a state in 2001 (on top of other, previous rejections by the Arab world) in order to start a genocidal terror war against Israel with the goal of throwing the Jews into the sea.

It is this desire for genocide that caused the "mistreatment" of Gaza -- Hamas doing absolutely nothing with the land it got from Israel than getting weapons and lobbing rockets into Israel, with the goal of destroying Israel and throwing the Jews into the sea.

I am an Israeli. The vast majority of Israelis would return to something like the 1967 borders in a minute IF IT MEANT ACTUAL PEACE. They do not, however, believe -- and for excellent reasons -- that such withdrawal in the face of terrorism or US pressure would lead to anything more than further bloodshed.

Everybody knows a Palestinian state would simply be another terror base to continue this war of annihilation against the Jews due to the Palestinians' continuing desire, as their own leaders, people, TV, papers, constitution, and, above all, actions repeatedly, indeed endlessly, prove, for genocide: to throw the Jews into the sea in "liberating Palestine".

That, and not "US backing of Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians", is the reason for the continued conflict.

 

[malcolmxwarrior]

I'm sorry skeptic that you fell for the propaganda.

Hey here's another one. all of those evil arabs want to you throw in the sea!

lol

 

[Donal]

Yes. unequivocally 100%. Jordan too. It is the reason why we are in Iraq, it is the reason why we are not friends with Iran at the moment, and it is the reason why 3500 of my people perished on 9/11. I don't see the israelis meeting us halfway. Britain does. Hell, even the eastern europeans helped us out. Where are the israeli troops in Iraq? Where are the israeli troops in pakistan and Afghanistan on this so called "war on terror"

We're in Iraq to help Israel? Even though Israeli leaders cautioned against the invasion?

And what do Pakistan and Afghanistan have to do with Israel?

And do I really need to explain why it would be a bad thing to have Israeli troops patrolling a Muslim country? That would be the mother of all PR blunders.

To be blunt, this doesn't seem like MY countries "war on terror" It seems like ISRAELS "war on terror".

Then why aren't we bombing the living hell out of Gaza and Lebanon and Syria?

Chew on this bro," A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld."

Zinn or Chomsky?

And savac killed hundreds of people.

More or less than the current totalitarian dictatorship?

 

[Donal]

Ah, screw it. Can one of the mods just put this in Conspiracy Theories?

 

[Oliver]

No.

Why not? ... Did you make it up then?

 

[malcolmxwarrior]

We're in Iraq to help Israel? Even though Israeli leaders cautioned against the invasion?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

You do know that without the Israel lobby and the neocons(dual-israeli citizens) who ran the bush administration there would have been no Iraq war?

Look, It's simple, the Israelis and their agents in Washington wanted the US to have their presence in the middle east so they can do their bidding. The American military will topple Iran, Syria, and lebanon just so they can have a "greater Israel" They will never give back the golan heights, they will never give up anything!

When my people are fighting and dying for a cause that has nothing to do with our national security, I get pissed off! And when I see my leaders kissing ass of a foreign entity for no good reason at all, it pisses me off.


You know Alex Jones always makes the comment that the united states has been hijacked. He's right. But he is DECEIVING you by naming all these mysterious groups (illuminati, bilderbergs, CFR, Trilateral commission Etc.)

The united states has been taken over by zionist extremists. I do NOT want to say jews because there are a lot of good jews out there. Jack Bernstein, Benjamin Freedman, Peter Schiff, Irwin Schiff, Bobby Fischer, Etc.

Why should a country die for ANY foreign country for that matter?

Americans dying for a RACIST, MARXIST regime?

Those are not the American values that I grew up with. That is not in America's interest at all!

but, these opinion are of my own, obviously, and if you don't agree with me that is fine. We can agree to disagree.

 

[malcolmxwarrior]

Zinn or Chomsky

George Washington. An American Hero.

Then why aren't we bombing the living hell out of Gaza and Lebanon and Syria?

Because they're saving us to take out their big supplier. Iran. The octopus as one neocon put it. He said that islamic jihad and hezbollah are mere "tentacles" of the octopus. Iran is the head.

 

[Thunder]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

You do know that without the Israel lobby and the neocons(dual-israeli citizens) who ran the bush administration there would have been no Iraq war? .

Not one single Jews in the Bush II administration, Clinton administration, or Bush I administration, held Israeli citizenship.

Nazis lie.

 

[Thunder]

Yes. unequivocally 100%. Jordan too. It is the reason why we are in Iraq, it is the reason why we are not friends with Iran at the moment, and it is the reason why 3500 of my people perished on 9/11. .

A good 200 of the victims of 9-11 were Jewish. Do you now consider Jews to be "your" people??

 

[linusrichard]

there are a lot of good jews out there. Jack Bernstein, Benjamin Freedman, Peter Schiff, Irwin Schiff, Bobby Fischer, Etc.

Oh. I see. You think antisemites are good. I wish you had said that in the OP, so I would have known not to waste my time.

 

[lupus_in_fabula]

The big mistake you're making is that you think the Palestinians fight Israel so they will get a Palestinian state. The opposite is the case, as is openly and repeatedly expressed by them, as well as by Arafat's "Staged plan", the Palestinian constitution, Hamas' charter, etc., etc.: they only want a Palestinian state so they can use it to continue to fight Israel until it disppears completely.

It is this desire for genocide that caused the refugee problem in the first place -- the Palestinians joined the entire Arab world in an attack on the state of Israel with the intention of throwing the Jews into the sea.

It is this desire for genocide that caused "the occupation" in the first place -- the jordians, Syrians, and Egyptians planning an all-out three front war on Israel in 1967 in order to throw the Jews into the sea.

It is this desire for genocide that is the reason there isn't a Palestinian state now -- Arafat rejecting just such a state in 2001 (on top of other, previous rejections by the Arab world) in order to start a genocidal terror war against Israel with the goal of throwing the Jews into the sea.

It is this desire for genocide that caused the "mistreatment" of Gaza -- Hamas doing absolutely nothing with the land it got from Israel than getting weapons and lobbing rockets into Israel, with the goal of destroying Israel and throwing the Jews into the sea.

I am an Israeli. The vast majority of Israelis would return to something like the 1967 borders in a minute IF IT MEANT ACTUAL PEACE. They do not, however, believe -- and for excellent reasons -- that such withdrawal in the face of terrorism or US pressure would lead to anything more than further bloodshed.

Everybody knows a Palestinian state would simply be another terror base to continue this war of annihilation against the Jews due to the Palestinians' continuing desire, as their own leaders, people, TV, papers, constitution, and, above all, actions repeatedly, indeed endlessly, prove, for genocide: to throw the Jews into the sea in "liberating Palestine".

That, and not "US backing of Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians", is the reason for the continued conflict.

Please Skeptic, don't spout unfounded nonsense about the Palestinians. After all, you teach in a university. Here's some statistics for you to contemplate on: For instance the statistics about the Saudi Plan:

61% of the Israelis oppose and 36% support the Saudi initiative which calls for Arab recognition of and normalization of relations with Israel after it ends its occupation of Arab territories occupied in 1967 and after the establishment of a Palestinian state. The plan calls for Israeli retreat from all territories occupied in 1967 including Gaza the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, and the establishment of a Palestinian state. The refugees problem will be resolved through negotiation in a just and agreed upon manner and in accordance with UN resolution 194. In return, all Arab states will recognize Israel and its right to secure borders, will sign peace treaties with her and establish normal diplomatic relation. In our September poll 59% of the Israelis opposed the plan while 38% supported it. Among Palestinians, 66% support the plan and 30% oppose it, just like in September.

About the rejection in 2001, I assume you mean Taba, right? Shall we see what former Israeli foreign minister, deeply involved in the actual negotiations, had to say those negotiations? Well, here's two reports about both Camp David and Taba: Fmr. Israeli Foreign Minister: "If I were a Palestinian, I Would Have Rejected Camp David". And here's the other part the first part: Fmr. Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben Ami Debates Outspoken Professor Norman Finkelstein on Israel, the Palestinians, and the Peace Process.

It wasn't as simple as you seem to suggest, wasn't it? Btw., who walked away from the table in Taba?

 

[BPSCG]

Top Ten Reasons Osama Hit America Instead Of Israel:

5) It's easier; Americans won't stop you just because you have an Arabic name and an Arabic passport. Israelis will stop you just because you have Arabic numbers on your boarding pass.

I'm going on vacation for a week. I expect this list to be completed when I get back.

 

[BPSCG]

Not one single Jews in the Bush II administration, Clinton administration, or Bush I administration, held Israeli citizenship.

That's not true. They all just hid their Israeli citizenships.

You see how diabolical the jooz are?

 

[gumboot]

And how many Evangelist mega-ministries are there in the US producing millions of Borg Christian fundamentalists with real twisted world-views using frightening techniques of indoctrination?

Very few. There's nothing in the US that compares to a Madrassah, and there's no strain of Christianity that compares to Deobandi Islam. Even the most extreme fundamentalist Christianity is tame compared to what they teach in those Madrassahs.

 

[gumboot]

I believe Howard zinn said terror is an act of war.

In that case Howard Zinn is himself a terrorist. He's wrong, of course.

They're all devils gumboot. Screw 'em all. When they meet their maker they better have a heck of a speech.

I neither believe in devils nor makers.

 

[gumboot]

yes. Unequivocally 100%. Jordan too. It is the reason why we are in iraq, it is the reason why we are not friends with iran at the moment, and it is the reason why 3500 of my people perished on 9/11.

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