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Why didn't osama bin laden just hit Israel?

"I protest! Not ALL Islam-ruled countries are opressive, terrorist supporting dictatorships! Look at Iran!"

Compare with:

"I protest! Not ALL animals are big, grey, and with trunks! Look at the elephant!"
 
If the opressive, terrorist-producing Islamic government likes the USA, the useful idiots say the "real" reason they produce terrorists is because evil USA "backing of a opressive regime".
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Well then, I disagree.

Just gotta agree to disagree =)
 
Skeptic said:
"I protest! Not ALL Islam-ruled countries are opressive, terrorist supporting dictatorships! Look at Iran!"

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"I protest! Not ALL animals are big, grey, and with trunks! Look at the elephant!"
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Again.

Agree to disagree.

Iran is a theocracy and not everybody considers Hezbollah and hamas to be terrorist organizations.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

The argument of "the U.N and E.U consider hamas and hezbollah to be terorist groups" doesn't mean anything.

There was a time in the world where it was ok to own slaves. You think that is ok? Blacks didn't have the right to vote. Was that ok? But it was the law everybody recognized it as such.

One day I hope the world will awake from this nightmare and live in a world of peace.

On a side note the president of iran in, I believe, in 2001, said he would no longer support hamas if the united states would take his country off of the axis of evil. But bush ignored him. Just like Obama ignored the current presidents letter for change.

Let's hope Obama learns from the mistakes of bush.

I'm not gonna hold my breath.
 
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Toke said:
I don´t understand why Saudi Arabia both spread radicalisation around the world and suppres it at home. Is it slightly different versions or are they taking hypocricy to new levels?
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They don't suppress radicalisation, they just suppress terrorism. When it's aimed at them or their interests.

It's the odd thing about Saudi Arabia... they support and fund radical Wahhabi doctrine, but they don't seem to like the obvious and logical end result of Wahhabi - which is violent Jihad against the west.

Or perhaps the entire idea is they figure if violent Jihad is being aimed against the USA, UK and so forth, it won't be aimed against them.
 
malcolmxwarrior said:
Iran is a theocracy and not everybody considers Hezbollah and hamas to be terrorist organizations.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
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I'm sorry but both Hezbollah and Hamas are quite clearly terrorist organisations.
 
Or perhaps the entire idea is they figure if violent Jihad is being aimed against the USA, UK and so forth, it won't be aimed against them.
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I like the original danegæld, but this one (like the original) just make the problem worse.

Jihad against the west, looks like most of the muslim terrorism it is turned inward, aiming for a theocracy. I guess the saudis want the caliphate and somehow expect to come out on top.
Have they considered what will happen to their weekend trips to bars and horehouses in Barain, or is that ok if you contributed to the jihad box.
 
gumboot said:
They're terrorists because of their methods, not their motives.
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Yup. I'm sure the French Resistance during WWII didn't kill innocent civilians with suicide bombers to simply disrupt the Nazi occupation. Terrorism and resistance are definitely two different animals.
 
twinstead said:
Yup. I'm sure the French Resistance during WWII didn't kill innocent civilians with suicide bombers to simply disrupt the Nazi occupation. Terrorism and resistance are definitely two different animals.
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Not only do terrorists kill innocent civilians, but they target them, often exclusively.
 
Top Ten Reasons Osama Hit America Instead Of Israel:

7) If you killed all the Jews, Arabs would have no competition in the annual "World's Ugliest Noses Contest."
 
Good Lord, malcolmxwarrior, do you really believe what you are spewing? You think the only reason the US supports Egypt is to help Israel?

You don't suppose the US wants a friendly Egypt because instability in the MidEast is a bad thing, do you? That we've been working with Egypt longer than we have with Israel? That we need a friendly government to be in control of the Suez Canal?

As for just how awful Iran was under the Shah, why was he so much worse than the current regime? The only real complaint I hear from people is that he imprisoned people that defied him, which the current regime does (and worse).

Be honest, the Shah's biggest sin was being an ally of the West.

I mean, that bastard actually, *gasp* promoted the education of women and *oh no* ending the feudal system in Iran at the time. I know, horrors upon horrors.
 
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pipelineaudio said:
I don't see how. [...] One SMALL us aid bit could level palestine into smoking embers
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Sure, Israel has the military capability to systematically exterminate the Palestinians. Next day the UNSC announces comprehensive economic sanctions against Israel to break its economy, until it agrees to restore the 1967 borders and grant the remaining Palestines right of return. If Israel begins to murder millions even American popular support will turn against it.

Unwavering American support is the major reason why Israel gets away with treating the Palestines as badly as it does, without facing sanctions, because they would die under American veto anyway. In addition, the US does much to keep Israel's potential enemies like Iran down. A nuclear armed Iran would for example divert Israeli attention away from the Palestines.

Bankrupcy would vastly reduce such support.
 
gumboot said:
Are you serious? Pakistan has about 10,000 Deobandi madrassahs, producing millions of students a year.
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And how many Evangelist mega-ministries are there in the US producing millions of Borg Christian fundamentalists with real twisted world-views using frightening techniques of indoctrination?

10,000 is a minuscule number in comparison.
 
egslim said:
Sure, Israel has the military capability to systematically exterminate the Palestinians. Next day the UNSC announces comprehensive economic sanctions against Israel to break its economy, until it agrees to restore the 1967 borders and grant the remaining Palestines right of return. If Israel begins to murder millions even American popular support will turn against it.

Unwavering American support is the major reason why Israel gets away with treating the Palestinians as badly as it does, without facing sanctions, because they would die under American veto anyway. In addition, the US does much to keep Israel's potential enemies like Iran down. A nuclear armed Iran would for example divert Israeli attention away from the Palestinians.

Bankruptcy would vastly reduce such support.
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Correct. Plenty of that unwavering American support is actually in this very forum.
 
Donal said:
Good Lord, malcolmxwarrior, do you really believe what you are spewing? You think the only reason the US supports Egypt is to help Israel?

You don't suppose the US wants a friendly Egypt because instability in the MidEast is a bad thing, do you? That we've been working with Egypt longer than we have with Israel? That we need a friendly government to be in control of the Suez Canal?

As for just how awful Iran was under the Shah, why was he so much worse than the current regime? The only real complaint I hear from people is that he imprisoned people that defied him, which the current regime does (and worse).

Be honest, the Shah's biggest sin was being an ally of the West.

I mean, that bastard actually, *gasp* promoted the education of women and *oh no* ending the feudal system in Iran at the time. I know, horrors upon horrors.
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Yes. unequivocally 100%. Jordan too. It is the reason why we are in Iraq, it is the reason why we are not friends with Iran at the moment, and it is the reason why 3500 of my people perished on 9/11. I don't see the israelis meeting us halfway. Britain does. Hell, even the eastern europeans helped us out. Where are the israeli troops in Iraq? Where are the israeli troops in pakistan and Afghanistan on this so called "war on terror"

To be blunt, this doesn't seem like MY countries "war on terror" It seems like ISRAELS "war on terror". Chew on this bro," A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld."

And savac killed hundreds of people.
 
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