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Merged Freeman on the Land in America/lawful rebellion/sovereign citizens

my ill will said:
All law is derived from the principles of common law. It is enforced by the people appointed to enforce the law!
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Copyright is an obvious counter example. US copyright law is clearly not derived from any common law principle. More dirrectly the house of lords in Donaldson v Beckett ruled that there was no such thing as common law copyright.
 
my ill will said:
snip... (Whole bunch of misconceptions) ...snip
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The whole thing is explained very well here: http://www.teamlaw.net/Mythology.htm

Here's a couple more references...

Internal Revenue Bulletin: 2005-14
http://www.irs.gov/irb/2005-14_IRB/ar13.html

The "straw man" claim is premised on the erroneous theory that most government documents do not actually refer to individuals. Users of the "straw man" theory falsely claim that only documents using an individual’s name with "standard" capitalization, i.e., lower-case with only the beginning letters of each name capitalized, are legitimate. These individuals erroneously argue that the use of the individual’s name in all upper-case letters, which is common in some government documents, refers to a separate legal entity, called a "straw man." These individuals also erroneously argue that, as a result of the creation of a "straw man," they are not liable for the debts, including the tax debts, of their "straw man," that taxing the "straw man" is illegal because the "straw man" is a debt instrument based upon the labor of a real person and is, therefore, a form of slavery, or that no tax is owed by the real individual because it can be satisfied, or offset, by money in a "Treasury Direct Account" held in the name of the "straw man."
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Objections to name printed in block letters (all-caps)
http://www.adl.org/MWD/suss4.asp
(Numerous examples of case law.)
E.g.: "The court finds Jaeger’s arguments concerning capitalization otherwise specious. The court routinely capitalizes the names of all parties before this court in all matters, civil and criminal, without any regard to their corporate or individual status...."
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my ill will said:
IThe governments are all corporations, listed on the market AS CORPORATIONS. Their policy is corporate. This is why they require the people to have driver's licenses, SSN for nearly everything... because these identify you as employees of their corporation, meaning you must follow their regulations or you are punished..
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This is an outright lie.

Thank you for pointing out that I no longer need to listen to you, because if you believe rubbish like that you will believe anything.
 
dudalb said:
And in the US Lousiana uses a combination of Common Law and The Napoleonic Code.
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Actually, Louisiana, as well as the rest of the U.S., has been a dictatorship since September 11, 2001, when ChimpBushitler tore up the Constitution.

It's true! :)
 
dudalb said:
I am still boggled the he is advocating A Far Left Economic program like The Venus Plan in other threads.and the Ultra Libertarian view in this thread and does not see the contradiction.
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Actually there's quite a connection between the two, as becoming a Free-man-on-the-Land, in my opinion, is the first step in helping the Venus Project become a reality!

dudalb said:
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I have two words for you: Wesley Snipes.
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You're really quite the philosopher. I don't think I've ever seen you make an intelligent rebuttal or a relevant discussion. Every time I have posted something, you quickly give an allusion to insult me.
 
Pantaz said:
The whole thing is explained very well here: http://www.teamlaw.net/Mythology.htm

Here's a couple more references...

Internal Revenue Bulletin: 2005-14
http://www.irs.gov/irb/2005-14_IRB/ar13.html




Objections to name printed in block letters (all-caps)
http://www.adl.org/MWD/suss4.asp
(Numerous examples of case law.)
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Really?

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
HONORABLE JOHN G. DAVIES, JUDGE PRESIDING


UNITED STATES OF AMERICA )
)
Plaintiff(s) )
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vs. ) NO. CV-94 xxxx -JGD
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RANDY L. OxxxxxxxxxR )
____________Defendant(s)_ )
REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
Los Angeles, California - Monday, March 21, 1994


BEVERLY A. CASARES CSR# 8630
Official Court Reporter
312 North Spring Street, Room 440
Los Angeles, California 90012
(213) 617-2305

APPEARANCES:
FOR PLAINTIFF(S) GREGORY A. ROTH
312 N. Spring Street
Los Angeles, California 90012
(213) 894-2410
FOR DEFENDANT(S) RANDY L. OxxxxxxxxxR
LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA; MONDAY, MARCH 21, 1994; 1:30 P.M.

THE CLERK: Item number 6, case number CV-94xxxxx, United States of America versus Randy L. Oxxxxxxxxxr.

MR. ROTH: Good afternoon, your Honor, Assistant U.S. Attorney Gregory Roth appearing on behalf of the United States, and its agency the Internal Revenue Service.

THE COURT: Is there any opposition?

MR. OxxxxxxxxxR: For the record.

THE COURT: Yes.

MR. OxxxxxxxxxR: My Christian name is Randy Lee, and my family name is Oxxxxxxxxxr.

THE COURT: All right.

MR. OxxxxxxxxxR: That is spelled capital R, lower case, a-n-d-y, capital L, lower case e-e, capital O, lower case x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-r.

I have responded to this petition because it was found on the door of the place where I take up housekeeping, and attempts to create a colorable persona under colorable law by the name of capital R-A-N-D-Y L period, O-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-R, the artifice being used here to deceive this Honorable Court, must be abated as a Public Nuisance.

For the record, Randy Lee and Jesus the Christ Advocate and Wonderful Counselor are using the Right of Visitation to exercise Ministerial Powers to be heard on this matter.

I, Randy Lee, am a native Californian and a Man on the Land in Los Angeles County, not a resident in the Federal Judicial District in the Central District of California.

My Colors and Authority is the California Bear Flag with the Gold star. My Law is My Family Bible. And my Status is shown by the Seal of the People.

I am who I say I am, not who the U.S. Attorney says I am. Further I sayeth not and I stand mute.

THE COURT: All right. Please take your things off of the podium and sit down at your table. Mr. Roth, do you have any response to this alleged case of mistaken identity.

MR. ROTH: Well, your Honor, Mr. Oxxxxxxxxxr seems to think that if you spell your name in upper and lower case, it relieves him of compliance.

THE COURT: Thank you, Mr. Roth. Please call the next case clerk.

(Proceedings concluded.)

C E R T I F I C A T E
I hereby certify that the foregoing matter entitled UNITED STATES OF AMERICA versus RANDY L. OxxxxxxxxxR No. CV-94 xxxx -JGD is transcribed from the stenographic notes taken by me and is a true and accurate description of the same.
_____(signed)____________________. ____3/25/94________________.
BEVERLY A. CASARES CSR# 8630, Official Court Reporter



Capitalization actually has a very distinguishable effect and this is proven in many court cases.
 
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Good golly, what a piece of work. :covereyes

This is on the level of "The gold fringe on the flag means we're under martial law" nuttiness. If you actually believe this, you need to go back to square one and recreate your worldview using common sense. I recommend reading Carl Sagan as a start. If you are just trolling, congratulations, you got a rise. Big whoop. lol.
 
my ill will said:
Really?

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
HONORABLE JOHN G. DAVIES, JUDGE PRESIDING

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I am not an attorney, so maybe there is something in that transcript that eludes me, but it looks like the judge did not offer any sort of ruling. Can you provide a link, please? I'm interested in the final disposition.

The TeamLaw site has some unusual stuff, but the page I linked seems to cover many of your claims. (I just Googled "name in all-caps strawman" and found it among the results.)

my ill will said:
Capitalization actually has a very distinguishable effect and this is proven in many court cases.
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The other linked site shows well over a dozen cases that disagree with your assertion. I would be happy look over any other cases you can cite.
 
Puppycow said:
This is on the level of "The gold fringe on the flag means we're under martial law" nuttiness.
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The "TeamLaw" site actually covers a version of that:
... Therefore, there are to this day only 48 States in the Union of States of the United States of America and the proper flag of our nation has only 48 stars on its jack.
The 50 star flag is the proper flag of the President of Corp. U.S. and is properly used in his capacity as the Commander in Chief of the military forces of the United States of America, which are an original jurisdiction government body but they stand today under the assignment of Lincoln's martial law as the enforcers of that martial law, whose business needs are dictatorially controlled by Corp. U.S.’S' President.
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:boggled:

They have other pages relating to the "Corp. U.S." thing. Bizarre. :boggled:

I hesitated using them as a reference in the first place, but I like their description of the "name in capitals" argument.
 
This is a really good thread. I always enjoy watching someone in the grip of a powerful but probably harmless* delusion earnestly pressing his case on a bemused audience.

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Harmless as long as he doesn't act in accordance with his delusion.
 
For the record, Randy Lee and Jesus the Christ Advocate and Wonderful Counselor are using the Right of Visitation to exercise Ministerial Powers to be heard on this matter.
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Jesus came back as a lawyer for crazy people? :(
 
Thank you for responding to my requests. After carefully reading your posts, I see no reason to place credence in your most remarkable assertions.

I do hope that you do not run afoul of the IRS or the government as you act upon these beliefs.
 
Hey, gimme my rights as a human being! Obligations? Dont come to me with that, talk to the invisible guy in the corner, thats my fictional legal person.
 
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