At last the socialist revolution has arrived!

Renfield

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Renfield
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We have a socialist president. The fatal flaw in any capitalist system has been exposed. The banking system has fallen apart because those who ran it made personal fortunes while running their companies into the ground. Their greed has forced the government to buy large stakes in the banking system. Taxes on the wealthy are rising. It will only be a matter of time before the government takes it all from the wealthy few that control the nations capital and gives it to the proletariat.

Viva Obama!
 
All we need now is a guillotine and someone who knows how to knit.

I'm a humane man ... I'll learn how to knit.
 
Hi Renfield,

I'm a real life, actual socialist. I believe that a (well) planned economy over the long term will lead to a more stable economic existance for the citizens that live under it. I firmly support immediate nationalization of essential services such as health care, food production/distribution, water distribution and basic housing. I support all this because I believe economic growth is a silly goal and should be replaced with a goal along the lines of feed, clothe and encourage the health of all citizens first, encourage innovation second and make people rich last.

Barack Obama is not a socialist.
 
The problem I have with socialism is their ultimate aim is to establish a one world government.

Also, I think that giving a government the enormous power to completely control, plan and regulate the economy would require it to reach a level of control that could easily cross the line into dictatorial.
 
INRM said:
The problem I have with socialism is their ultimate aim is to establish a one world government.
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no.
Also, I think that giving a government the enormous power to completely control, plan and regulate the economy would require it to reach a level of control that could easily cross the line into dictatorial.
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There's nothing special about socialism that necessarily makes it more dictatorial than other economic systems. Any government has the potential for abuse of power regardless of the economics in place.
 
The problem is that centrally planned economies have a long history of not working. In the end, it amounts to bureaucrats dictating to the population what they can buy(though controlling what is manufactured), how much they can earn, etc, and the population generally resents that.
Sorry, but that kind of Socialism simply does not work.
 
I firmly support immediate nationalization of essential services such as health care, food production/distribution, water distribution and basic housing.
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Not much left for private enterprise, is there?
That system sure worked great in the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Mao's China, etc.
Even the European Social Democracies don't advocate that level of nationlisation.
 
INRM said:
The problem I have with socialism is their ultimate aim is to establish a one world government.
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Yeah, those damn Swedes are always sticking their nose in other people's business, trying to force their system on the rest of us... ;)
 
Based on the frequency of economic events such as the one we're experiencing right now, I would argue that capitalism doesn't work either.

I would also argue that the governments in the Scandanavian countries are not far off how I envision socialism and that they have done rather better than most of the rest of the world in terms of stability and health of the people.

Finally, I would like to point out that socialism is not the same as communism. I understand the need for economic incentives to some extent, but feel they should be minimized to the extent possible.

ETA: we might be getting into thread split territory here. I put all the stuff that led to this part of the conversation in as a background to my statement that Obama isn't a socialist.;
 
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Renfield said:
We have a socialist president. The fatal flaw in any capitalist system has been exposed. The banking system has fallen apart...
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Correction: the American banking system has fallen apart (as well as that of several other nations, but certainly not all nations).

Isn't it curious that "socialist" Canada is actually more financially and fiscally conservative that the good ol' champion of free market capitalism, the United States?
 
And meanwhile, back in the RealWorldTM.

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=20156
10 March 2009

NEW YORK - Stocks rose sharply on Tuesday as Citigroup's reassurances on its performance and Washington's efforts to tackle the economic slide made investors optimistic.

Citigroup was profitable in the first two months of 2009 and is confident about its capital strength, Chief Executive Vikram Pandit said, easing concerns about the troubled bank's survival prospects.

"I am most encouraged with the strength of our business so far in 2009," Pandit wrote in a memo to staff on Monday. "We are profitable through the first two months of 2009 and are having our best quarter-to-date performance since the third quarter of 2007."

Pandit's assessment suggests that Citigroup may surprise analysts, who on average expect the third-largest U.S. bank by assets to lose money at least through September, following $37.5 billion of losses over the past 15 months. Citigroup earned $2.2 billion in the July-September period in 2007.
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:covereyes
 
Renfield said:
We have a socialist president. The fatal flaw in any capitalist system has been exposed. The banking system has fallen apart because those who ran it made personal fortunes while running their companies into the ground. Their greed has forced the government to buy large stakes in the banking system. Taxes on the wealthy are rising. It will only be a matter of time before the government takes it all from the wealthy few that control the nations capital and gives it to the proletariat.

Viva Obama!
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Which country are you talking about?
 
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