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[Cicero]

 

[Pardalis]

She also signed the Truth movement statement.

Either she signed it without reading it and without knowing what the "9/11 truth" organization was about, or she did sign it knowingly. Either way she's stupid.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

 

[jj]

Garofolo is a wingnut.

Now, can we moveon, please?

Garofolo needs to marry Limbaugh. Come on, folks, just consider the implications...

 

[Cicero]

She also signed the Truth movement statement.

Either she signed it without reading it and without knowing what the "9/11 truth" organization was about, or she did sign it knowingly. Either way she's stupid.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

"Actress Janeane Garofalo Blurts '9/11 Was an Inside Job' on Conan O'Brien While Discussing Controversial Politics"

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/170707_garofalo_911.html

Sign it? She probably drafted it.

 

[elbe]

While Garfolo is a 911 MIHOP, KO is a LIHOP:

"The political party in office at the time of the attacks, at the local, state and national levels, the party which uniformly ignored the warnings and the presidential administration already through twenty percent of its first term and no longer wet behind the ears, have not only thus far escaped any blame for the malfeasance and criminal neglect that allowed the attacks to occur....."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26645619

My reading of that suggests the Olbermann believes the government let it happen through negligence, not for some nefarious purpose. Perhaps he does believe in LIHOP, I don't know, but I certainly don't get that impression from that quote.

 

[Cicero]

My reading of that suggests the Olbermann believes the government let it happen through negligence, not for some nefarious purpose. Perhaps he does believe in LIHOP, I don't know, but I certainly don't get that impression from that quote.

Was the first attack on the Twin Towers the result of Clinton's "criminal neglect that allowed it to occur?" I missed KO's LIHOP rant on that one.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

And I have provided examples in this thread of MSNBC's Raychill Maddow and KO not having any credibility. When do you plan to address this instead of continuing the charade that your skepticism isn't one of convenience?

Maybe when you actually post something besides opinion.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

She also signed the Truth movement statement.

Either she signed it without reading it and without knowing what the "9/11 truth" organization was about, or she did sign it knowingly. Either way she's stupid.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

If you are referring to Garofolo, which mainstream news program is she on?

And the request to investigate 911, was that because people wanted to know about Bush's being asleep at the wheel before the attack?

I don't know Garofolo's current beliefs about 911. And there are unreliable left wingers. Rhodes and Malloy are two of them as is Robert Kennedy Jr. I don't consider any of these three mainstream news pundits or reporters.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Was the first attack on the Twin Towers the result of Clinton's "criminal neglect that allowed it to occur?" I missed KO's LIHOP rant on that one.

No, according to Richard Clarke who was Clinton's chief of counter terrorism, he couldn't get Rice or Bush to act on the alQ threat. After they took office, the ball was dropped.

 

[elbe]

Was the first attack on the Twin Towers the result of Clinton's "criminal neglect that allowed it to occur?" I missed KO's LIHOP rant on that one.

I'm sorry, I don't actually recall reciting an opinion on anything other than the quote as presented. It reads, to me, as Olbermann claiming the Bush administration failed to stop the attacks through negligence, not "on purpose". Believe what you will, but that quote just does not support a LIHOP stand.

 

[Cicero]

Maybe when you actually post something besides opinion.

I guess when the facts do not support your ideology they become opinion.


Raychill Maddow's fallacy about waterboarding is a perfect example of her ignorance.

"People found guilty of waterboarding were sentenced to death and hanged."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#28269977

Not that the K.O. offspring is ever interested in facts when they get in the way of her daily diatribe against the Bush Administration, but would it be too much to ask her to characterize the type of waterboarding and acts of torture that Asano was charged with?

Defendant: Asano, Yukio

Docket Date: 53/ May 1 - 28, 1947, Yokohama, Japan

Charge: Violation of the Laws and Customs of War: 1. Did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture PWs. 2. Did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for PWs.

Specifications:beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward

Verdict: 15 years CHL

Only three (3) prisoners were waterboarded, and none of them were subjected to the above treatment.

 

[Cicero]

No, according to Richard Clarke who was Clinton's chief of counter terrorism, he couldn't get Rice or Bush to act on the alQ threat. After they took office, the ball was dropped.

So 911 was "criminal negligence," but the 1993 WTC bombing was unavoidable? I guess Clarke missed this tidbit when he was Clinton's Chair of the Counter-terrorism Security Group.

"In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, a former Egyptian army officer named Emad Salem. Salem claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as February 6, 1992. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly pinpoint the conspirators out of hundreds of possible suspects."

 

[Cicero]

I'm sorry, I don't actually recall reciting an opinion on anything other than the quote as presented. It reads, to me, as Olbermann claiming the Bush administration failed to stop the attacks through negligence, not "on purpose". Believe what you will, but that quote just does not support a LIHOP stand.

KO says 911 was "allowed" to occur by the Bush administration through "negligence" which, as Skeptigirl's post that proceeds yours claims, Bush 43 knew what was going to happen before it did and took no action. That sure sounds like LIHOP. I never heard KO say is was just an accident. It was an act of "criminality."


And since Clinton had info about the 1993 WTC bombing before it occurred, he must also be "criminally negligent" since he ignored the warnings.

What's good for the goose....

 

[elbe]

KO says 911 was "allowed" to occur by the Bush administration through "negligence" which, as Skeptigirl's post that proceeds yours claims, Bush 43 knew what was going to happen before it did and took no action. That sure sounds like LIHOP. I never heard KO say is was just an accident. It was an act of "criminality."

I disagree with your interpretation of the quote. Where did Olbermann say the administration knew specifically what would happen to allow for the LIHOP scenario in that quote? I should think, and the quote appears to agree, that it is possible to be negligent without specifically allowing it to happen. You have beef with Olbermann, ok, I don't really care one way or another, but I see no reason to read more into that one quote than what is actually contained within.

And since Clinton had info about the 1993 WTC bombing before it occurred, he must also be "criminally negligent" since he ignored the warnings.

What's good for the goose....

Unrelated. The quote does not address the '93 bombing and thus makes no claims about it. Olbermann may, and probably does, have a view on it, but it is not addressed in your quote.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So 911 was "criminal negligence," but the 1993 WTC bombing was unavoidable? I guess Clarke missed this tidbit when he was Clinton's Chair of the Counter-terrorism Security Group.

"In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, a former Egyptian army officer named Emad Salem. Salem claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as February 6, 1992. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly pinpoint the conspirators out of hundreds of possible suspects."

Was there a daily brief titled, "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the US"? Did Clinton ignore evidence planes were going to be used as weapons, even claiming no one imagined it, when it actually had been written in previous security reports? Did Clinton's chief of staff refuse to meet with the counter terrorism chief after numerous requests by the c.t. chief for a meeting? Did 3,000 people die? Did the towers collapse?

You always try to equate unequal things, Cicero. The issue was not that a terrorist attack occurred. The issue was Bush was an incompetent leader who dropped the ball at a bad time.

And is there a link for your quote so we can look at the context and source? Because according to Wiki, "In December 1993, James M. Fox, the head of the FBI's New York Office, denied that the FBI had any foreknowledge of the attacks."

 

[GStan]

Maybe when you actually post something besides opinion.

 

[Cicero]

Was there a daily brief titled, "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the US"? Did Clinton ignore evidence planes were going to be used as weapons, even claiming no one imagined it, when it actually had been written in previous security reports? Did Clinton's chief of staff refuse to meet with the counter terrorism chief after numerous requests by the c.t. chief for a meeting? Did 3,000 people die? Did the towers collapse?

You always try to equate unequal things, Cicero. The issue was not that a terrorist attack occurred. The issue was Bush was an incompetent leader who dropped the ball at a bad time.

And is there a link for your quote so we can look at the context and source? Because according to Wiki, "In December 1993, James M. Fox, the head of the FBI's New York Office, denied that the FBI had any foreknowledge of the attacks."

Your silence regarding the evidanece of Maddow's lack of credibility must be your way of acknowledgment?

Link? Why it is the redoubtable New York Times

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE6DF1138F93BA15753C1A965958260

The FBI during the Clinton administration was rather weak in the credibility department. Does Ruby Ridge and Waco ring any bells?

Not mention that the U.S.S. Cole was attacked on Clinton's watch.

 

[Cicero]

Maybe when you actually post something besides opinion.

Have you had time to watch the Maddow clip? You need not suffer through the entire 12 1/2 minutes of vitriol as her fabrications are evident 55 seconds into the rant.