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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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Our world was created
I infer from this that you are implying 'created by a god' or similar

If so, please note that you're posting on forums.randi.org, 'a place to discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly and lively way', not 'a place to make vague, baseless, drive-by comments that promote superstitious nonsense'

:)
 
I infer from this that you are implying 'created by a god' or similar

If so, please note that you're posting on forums.randi.org, 'a place to discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly and lively way', not 'a place to make vague, baseless, drive-by comments that promote superstitious nonsense'

:)



Now now...

Be friendly.
 
So it is doc's contention that mental illness is caused by demons, after all?
I'm not an expert on demons and I never said what you claimed, but I do believe evil actions or behavior contrary to God's will done in the presence of a baby or child (or possibly even a fetus) can cause some mental and psychological conditions. There also might be conditions caused by such things as poverty, chemicals in food and the environment, etc., which in a way can be tied into sinful behavior of both individuals and society as a whole.

And of course the Catholic Church does believe in exorcism in very rare cases that are deemed non-psychological and non-medical in nature, but only after extensive medical testing has rule out everything else. There are also some other conditions that need to be present. I believe this includes things like speaking in a foreign language unknown to the person, as well as other criteria.
 
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I'm not an expert on demons and I never said what you claimed, but I do believe evil actions or behavior contrary to God's will done in the presence of a baby or child (or possibly even a fetus) can cause some mental and psychological conditions. There also might be conditions caused by such things as poverty, chemicals in food and the environment, etc., which in a way can be tied into sinful behavior of both individuals and society as a hole.


Why do you believe this?

And of course the Catholic Church does believe in exorcism in very rare cases that are deemed non-psychological and non-medical in nature, but only after extensive medical testing has rule out everything else. There are also some other conditions that need to be present. I believe this includes things like speaking in a foreign language unknown to the person, as well as other criteria.


I wonder how you can tell demon possession from simple speaking in tongues due to the presence of the Holy Spirit...
 
I wonder how you can tell demon possession from simple speaking in tongues due to the presence of the Holy Spirit...

Non sequitur, speaking in a foreign language like Chinese or French (unknown to a person) is not speaking in tongues.
 
I wonder how you can tell demon possession from simple speaking in tongues due to the presence of the Holy Spirit...

After doing some additional reading, I would say most likely presence of these other conditions mentioned in the Wiki article on demonic possession; as well as the obvious observation of person who is in distress.

Hidden knowledge, drastic changes in vocal intonation and facial structure, sudden appearance of injury (scratches, bite marks) or lesions, and superhuman strength.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonic_possession

ETA: And speaking in tongues today most often refers to speaking in a heavenly language which is different from speaking in a foreign language.

ETA: Although some people say that when the apostles began speaking in tongues at Pentecost they actually were speaking in other foreign languages (they supernaturally received) that foreigners who were present understood and were converted as a result. And the bible says 3000 people were converted on that day.
 
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ETA: And speaking in tongues today most often refers to speaking in a heavenly language which is different from speaking in a foreign language.


Odd, back in the days of Jesus, it meant speaking foreign languages.

Acts 2:1-11 said:
When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly a sound came from heaven like the rush of a mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire, distributed and resting on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one heard them speaking in his own language.

And they were amazed and wondered, saying, "Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? Par'thians and Medes and E'lamites and residents of Mesopota'mia, Judea and Cappado'cia, Pontus and Asia, Phryg'ia and Pamphyl'ia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyre'ne, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians, we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God."


I wonder when that changed.


ETA: And I will let someone with medical experience handle the oddness of equating demonic possession with mental illnesses, given your Wiki link.
 
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ETA: Although some people say that when the apostles began speaking in tongues at Pentecost they actually were speaking in other foreign languages (they supernaturally received) that foreigners who were present understood and were converted as a result. And the bible says 3000 people were converted on that day.


Oh look, DOC is being dishonest again and pretending he thought of this before I did. Take a look at the time stamps of my post and his edit.

Sad, really.
 
I wonder when that changed.

You'll have to do more research but I would have to believe the Holy Spirit is not limited in what he can do.


ETA: And I will let someone with medical experience handle the oddness of equating demonic possession with mental illnesses, given your Wiki link.
Once again you misrepresent my position. You will start to lose credibility if you do this too often. That's two or three times just in the last 10 pages of this thread you've done that.
 
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Oh look, DOC is being dishonest again and pretending he thought of this before I did. Take a look at the time stamps of my post and his edit.

Sad, really.

I'm not pretending, once again it's the "assume the worse" philosophy rearing it's ugly head. Truely sad.

ETA: Also I have to believe it's an attempt to divert attention from what were talking about ... I didn't read your post before I posted mine. If you don't believe me, stay out of my thread, which I know you won't do.
 
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Is it just me, or does this particular DOC thread seem more... epic than previous DOC threads? Doesn't he normally start up a new one by about now?
This thread is possessed!

I'm not pretending, once again it's the "assume the worse" philosophy rearing it's ugly head. Truely sad.
Hahahaha!

DOC, as you long ago drained every last shekel from your 'benefit-of-the-doubt' account, you are now credibly bankrupt
 
I'm not pretending, once again it's the "assume the worse" philosophy rearing it's ugly head. Truely sad.


It is "assume the worst".

ETA: Also I have to believe it's an attempt to divert attention from what were talking about ... I didn't read your post before I posted mine. If you don't believe me, stay out of my thread, which I know you won't do.


Hmm, you had hours to think about what "speaking in tongues" mean and only after I posted the relevant verses you remember the Pentacost? You have been busted many times in the past for deceitful editing. This is just par for the course.
 
DOC, as you long ago drained every last shekel from your 'benefit-of-the-doubt' account, you are now credibly bankrupt

And the fact that you will continue to come into this and any future thread I might have will totally destroy the credibility of your post. I think this talk about exorcism is uncomfortable for some people and they're trying to divert the focus to the messenger instead of the message. But I'm used to that. Yes, the continued presence of the personal attackers in my threads says a lot, but I'm sure some people are able to see through all that and focus on the topic.
 
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And the fact that you will continue to come into this and any future thread I might have will totally destroy the credibility of your post. I think this talk about exorcism is uncomfortable for some people and they're trying to divert the focus to the messenger instead of the message. But I'm used to that. Yes, the continued presence of the personal attackers in my threads says a lot.


Well, you certainly used this topic to divert the conversation from your lack of evidence that the New Testament writers told the truth.
 
Hmm, you had hours to think about what "speaking in tongues" mean and only after I posted the relevant verses you remember the Pentacost? You have been busted many times in the past for deceitful editing. This is just par for the course.

More attack the messenger in hopes of influencing people's opinion of the message. Even if what you said is true (and it's not). It doesn't affect the message in my posts. Classic ad hom.

And your comment I had hours to think about speaking in tongues is ridiculous. You're the one who brought up speaking in tongues at 9:35, my final edit (of which there was 2) was at 10:45. And also during that time I was responding and doing research on exorcism, in responding to another post. I got the info about speaking in tongues and Pentecost not from your post or Acts but from this site:

http://www.gospel-mysteries.net/speaking-in-tongues.html

I've been on this site over 2 years and left over 2800 messages. I know all about time stamps. I don't take the time to read all the posts every time I do an edit (which is often). I wish I had that much time and energy.

Apologies will be accepted.
 
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