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FOX: The Socialist News Network


I can't for the life of me figure out why you are making this so difficult. You made the claim that Fox was worse than the rest for factual integrity. I asked you for an independent verification. I rejected Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism as evidence rising to the level of independent verification. I provided you with an example of the kind of study I was interested in, and although I made no claims about the contents of the study itself, you threw a tantrum over an imaginary agenda which you projected onto me. So I asked again, and in response, you've given me another half-a-dozen paragraphs that do not support your claim. In case you missed this point amongst all your rambling:

I haven't even said that you are wrong about Fox News being more factually inaccurate. Stop foaming at the mouth over it.

If I have, and simply haven't realized it, I apologize, in which case your responses might be justified. If I have, please point out where I have and I will apologize accordingly. I have no emotional investment in whether Fox News or any other media outlet is more accurate or less accurate than the others, I just want the evidence that points me to the right answer. Don't give me Media Matters. I am a registered member there and visit their site on a regular basis. I know what they are saying. They have an agenda. They are not hiding it. This is from the "Who we are" section of their website:

MediaMatters.org said:
Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation.

I also visit Media Research Center, another conservative counterpart to MM. They are really only interested in finding liberal media bias. The existence of both organizations, and anything they report, provides evidence of the only claim I actually have made: that all outlets have at least some political bias in their reporting. Nothing either side produces can be taken at face value to the extent that they prove that any outlet is "worse" than the others, as you have claimed, because they each admit that they are only looking at one side.

The well done studies, not the one you cited, really did show a conservative news bias, which has been especially true over the last 8 years.
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If there are well-done studies, please just link to them. I am interested in reading them. (Although I didn't ask for studies on bias, I'm looking for studies on factual accuracy; you know, related to that which you claimed). I am not arguing with you; I am looking for objective reasons to accept or reject your claim that Fox News is less factually accurate than other media organizations. So far, you have not provided any reason to accept it.

The answer can be "I don't have any studies." Fine. If that is the case just say so. It can be "I resent the fact that Fox gets great ratings despite the fact that alot of what they report challenges my political beliefs." Whatever the answer is, I don't really care. Heck, there are reasons to find Fox News objectionable beyond factual integrity. How about the fact that they actually made the conscious decision to be a biased media outlet? IMHO, I think most major left-leaning media have drifted slowly left over time, the unfortunate and undeliberate consequence of the fact that "liberal" news sells better to a wide audience. Among the major media, there was somewhat of a void of conservative viewpoints in the market. Along comes Rupert Murdoch, and you can argue that he is a genius from a capitalistic standpoint that he recognized the void and filled it, but you can also argue that it is detestable from a pure journalistic standpoint that an organization would consciously seek such a biased foundation upon which to build a network. But now I'm just rambling. And somewhat off topic.

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Perhaps I brought this on myself. I actually look at people's post counts. I probably shouldn't pay attention to them, but I do, and I have a bad habit of thinking that the higher the post count, the more skeptical the poster should be. I think I just figured that with more than 10,000 posts, you would have better evidence to support what seems now to be an idealogically driven belief. ;):p (sorry, a guy's gotta have some fun with this)
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Document an Olbermann lie and let's look at it. I just documented one of Hannity's.

Here is KO agreeing with his favorite political scientist, Janeane Garofalo, about how Michael Steele, being a Republican, is struggling with Stockholm Syndrome. According to Garofalo, and KO, all blacks must think exactly the same, i.e. follow the liberal ideology, or they are self-loathing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfzJZLzJx10&feature=related

Here is MSNBC's Raychill Maddow making up history:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4278592#post4278592
 
Here is KO agreeing with his favorite political scientist, Janeane Garofalo, about how Michael Steele, being a Republican, is struggling with Stockholm Syndrome. According to Garofalo, and KO, all blacks must think exactly the same, i.e. follow the liberal ideology, or they are self-loathing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfzJZLzJx10&feature=related
Do you have the actual clip rather than a few out-of-context sound bytes sandwiched between the Fox commentary you just parroted?
 
Do you have the actual clip rather than a few out-of-context sound bytes sandwiched between the Fox commentary you just parroted?

Out of context? Ah yes, the predictable Upchurch wail. Here is the whole nauseating mess. It only makes the viewer want to reach for the air-sick bag that much quicker. Maybe you need to see the entire week of "Countdown" that came before this show so you can get the full context? Even the liberal women on "Red Eye" thought Garofalo was Godawfulo.

Were Garofalo's words taken out of context? No. Was KO's response to her drivel taken out of context? No. Did she say Steele suffers from Stockholm Syndrome? Yes. Did KO says that he is self-loathing? Yes. Are her bizarre tattoos indicative of a person who is striving for distinction without because nature failed to proved distinction from within? Of course.

See video at 4:37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl35Dn12DX8
 
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From an outsider this thread looks like nothing other than a pissing contest. Who's more of a kook than the other...

Who cares what Garofalo says, she's a truther, and who cares what Beck says, he's a McCarthy wannabe.

Too many kooks have an audience in the media, that's the problem, no matter what side they're on. The only reason why people listen to them is because there is a camera filming them.
 
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From an outsider this thread looks like nothing other than a pissing contest. Who's more of a kook than the other...

Who cares what Garofalo says, she's a truther, and who cares what Beck says, he's a McCarthy wannabe.

Too many kooks have an audience in the media, that's the problem, no matter what side they're on. The only reason why people listen to them is because there is a camera filming them.

Well, KO, the MSNBC liberal front man, and hero to the dailykos set, obviously cares what Garofalo has to say. The fact that Garofalo is a 911 moonbat only makes what she has to say that much more credible for KO.
 
People really do respect Fux News. Amazing!! I've never met anyone outside of this forum who take Fox news Seriously. Pretty much everyone I know treats it like some big joke. I always thought those who liked fox news sorta kept it quiet to protect their rep.
 
People really do respect Fux News. Amazing!! I've never met anyone outside of this forum who take Fox news Seriously. Pretty much everyone I know treats it like some big joke. I always thought those who liked fox news sorta kept it quiet to protect their rep.


What better endorsement for FOX than your boast that you, and the circles you travel in, consider the network a joke. What would really be astounding is if the people you say you hang with admit to knowing you.
 
The fact that Roger Ailes is the President of FNC should give one pause.

Right. The fact that The New York Times is published by Pinch Sulzberger should also. Not to mention any media outlet supported by George Soros.
 
People really do respect Fux News. Amazing!! I've never met anyone outside of this forum who take Fox news Seriously. Pretty much everyone I know treats it like some big joke. I always thought those who liked fox news sorta kept it quiet to protect their rep.

Recall the story about how Dick Cheney would insist that Fox News be playing on the TV when he went into a room where he was staying (like a hotel room).
 
The same people who routinely complain about FOX News are blithely indifferent to the liberal cable channels MSNBC/CNN/CNBC/, whose egregious programing continually finish first in their race to the bottom.
 
The same people who routinely complain about FOX News are blithely indifferent to the liberal cable channels MSNBC/CNN/CNBC/, whose egregious programing continually finish first in their race to the bottom.
The issue is not political slant, Cicero, it is factual credibility.
 
Well, KO, the MSNBC liberal front man, and hero to the dailykos set, obviously cares what Garofalo has to say. The fact that Garofalo is a 911 moonbat only makes what she has to say that much more credible for KO.

Evidence that KO has any sort of leanings towards 9/11 conspiracy theories please. Rather than "he bought this guest on about something unrelated. They're a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. Ergo, so is KO" I want actual statements out of KO's mouth.
 
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The issue is not political slant, Cicero, it is factual credibility.

And I have provided examples in this thread of MSNBC's Raychill Maddow and KO not having any credibility. When do you plan to address this instead of continuing the charade that your skepticism isn't one of convenience?
 
Evidence that KO has any sort of leanings towards 9/11 conspiracy theories please. Rather than "he bought this guest on about something unrelated. They're a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. Ergo, so is KO" I want actual statements out of KO's mouth.

Garofolo is not a guest, she is a regular. Here is KO offering up a conspiracy about the 2006 British arrest of two dozen suspects in a purported plot to blow 10 U.S.-bound international flights.

"And could it just be coincidence that the President finds out about this plot, then his Vice President and the Republican chairman start slamming Democrats for being soft on terror, then the public is informed about the plot? Could it really be just coincidence?"

http://newsbusters.org/node/6909

While Garfolo is a 911 MIHOP, KO is a LIHOP:

"The political party in office at the time of the attacks, at the local, state and national levels, the party which uniformly ignored the warnings and the presidential administration already through twenty percent of its first term and no longer wet behind the ears, have not only thus far escaped any blame for the malfeasance and criminal neglect that allowed the attacks to occur....."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26645619
 

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