Moderated Steel structures cannot globally collapse due to gravity alone

Now try that with a framing section weighing 4 tons.

a four ton framing section individually carrying about 70 to 80 tons a pop at that part of the structure... and experiencing a dynamic force of several times that
 
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Unfortunately, these newcomers are here because they enjoy being swatted around, so it's a hollow victory for debunkers. Starve them of attention and they'll slither off.

They love to post the dumbest 911Truth delusions they can find. I keep thinking they have posted the dumbest statements possible but they surprise me and in quoted form there is more stupid from HI or his buddies in the “who can post the dumbest 911Truth delusions club”.

I have met some people who believe in the nut case ideas on 911Truth like HI, Chris, Bill, Bob, Heiwa, Dr Jones, Fetzer, and Brasil; they are high school graduates who did not take physics, chemistry, or higher math. They were regurgitating some of the same dumb ideas as HI, Bill, Bob, et al. I have met no professional people gullible enough to fall for the lies of 911Trut like HI, Heiwa, et al.

I expect some of the 911Truth delusion believers (like HI) to go ask an engineer they know about the dumb ideas they are posting but they all must be on the fringe and not know any engineers. I know hundreds of engineers and not one of them believe in 911Truth ideas. I know hundreds of pilots who also find 911Truth ideas to be nut case and crazy. The guys posting 911Truth type ideas, HI, Bob, Bill, Heiwa, and Chris are all expressing ideas that are seen by professionals to be nut case ideas. Save 0.0001 percent of all engineers and about the same percent of all pilots, 911Truth stands with but a few fringe professionals who spew dumb ideas. I guess HI, Chris, Bob, Bill, and Heiwa don’t have access to rational thinking engineers.

911Truth can’t produce numbers or calculate the horizontal component of energy of ejected mass! They are not capable of catching the gross errors made by the engineers in the 911Truth camp of woo. They have no evidence to support the supposition or understand Heiwa believes no plane hit the WTC, Heiwa discounts fire as damaging the strength of steel, and other failed assumptions Heiwa left out in the OP. Sad there is no blue pill for engineering dysfunction in truthers. For 50 bucks a pill 911Truth engineering woo could be cured and become rational in a world of a blue fantasy pill.
 
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A number of posts have been moved to the AAH thread for off topic and bickering. Please try to avoid posting off topic and bickering. (sigh)
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a four ton framing section individually carrying about 70 to 80 tons a pop at that part of the structure... and experiencing a dynamic force of several times that
Gravity did not hurl these frame sections over 400 feet and embed them in WFC3 200-240 feet above the ground.

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Gravity did not hurl these frame sections over 400 feet and embed them in WFC3 200-240 feet above the ground.

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Of course it did... If the collapse dynamics were capable of sending some of the structural columns far enough out I see absolutely nothing odd about these same objects being "embedded" in another building it just got rammed into. Their mass was more than sufficient to penetrate them once they had the momentum without the aid of outside interference...
 
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Well, I don't know why you aren't convinced by Chris yet. He's been repeating himself for years now. Isn't that the way to convince people? Just keep saying the same thing over and over again on an internet forum? I'm completely convinced now. It had to have been an inside job. Chris says so, 350 times and counting!
 
Of course it did... If the collapse dynamics were capable of sending some of the structural columns far enough out I see absolutely nothing odd about these same objects being "embedded" in another building it just got rammed into. Their mass was more than sufficient to penetrate them once they had the momentum without the aid of outside interference...
So you think the flicker factor could hurl 4 ton frame sections up to 500 feet laterally.

Could you elaborate on this silliness?
 
Perhaps a Story.

Or rather, an analogy.

Once upon a time, not so long ago, in a place not all that far away, there existed a class. This class was full of people of differing viewpoints and background, but they got together because most of them wanted to learn in a lively way.

One day, the class had an assignment to do, a simple question to answer, and a new student arrived. Lets call him Bob, a nice generic name.

Well, Bob showed up with a smile and a smirk, for he knew he was smarter than everyone else in the class. How did he know he was the smartest? Because that is what he believed, and believed it he did with all his being.

Well Bob had been checking the answers that the other students had for the question, and he smiled to himself, for only he had the right answer, and he knew this because with his intellect, he must have had the right answer.

What was this question? A simple one. What is 2 +2? And it was advised that the students should show how they arrived at their conclusion, for even if the answer was wrong, insights could be gained from how the answer was arrived at.

So Bob walked up to the front of the class with his smirk. And he announced to the class, "2+2 equals.. orange!"

The silence was deafening. No-one said a word, and Bob grinned even wider, knowing that everyone was overwhelmed with his vast knoweldge, and ability. Then one student raided their hand, and said, "But isn't 2+2 equal to 4?"

Bob raised his hand, and pointed at the student who spoke. And he laughed, "Look at you! I can't believe you said that! Everyone else is laughing at you too, because of your stupid answer!" But no-one else was laughing. Only Bob. The students were confused by his statement, for indeed, no-one else was laughing.

Another student raised his arm, and asked, "Well, how did you come to your conclusion?"

Bob grinned as he shook his head, "I can not believe I came to this class. I was told that these people were smart, but it is obvious that this is a poor class, and no-one here is worth my time. I should not have to do your work for you, for if you can not find the answer, then you aren't smart enough!" Bobs friend, Bill then jumped up clapping, "Alright Bob! You show them!"

Again the students were confused by the answer, and started muttering to each other. Clearly the class was overwhelmed by the greatness that was Bob. A third student raised their hand, and asked, "Well.. Uh.. Would that be the colour orange, or the fruit?"

At this, Bob rolled his eyes to the heavens, and said, "Oh.. Why am I here, and not with the gifted students, its so obvious that you are all mentally incompetent if you do not even know the answer to such a simple question!" He then compared himself to a great athlete who managed to win a game against others who were useless in the sport. This was a strange comment, for it always seemed that Bob was the last one picked in sports for he wasn't very good there either.

Bill of course jumped up and down, clapping and laughing, "You show 'em Bob!"

The class then broke up into smaller groups to discuss their answers, which were all vastly different from Bob's 'conclusion', for they actually used math, and numbers for the solution. As it turned out, everyone started to ignore Bob, which only reinforced the thought that Bob was far too smart, and perfect for the class, they were awed by him. And so, Bob basked in the glow of what he felt was his own greatness.

And yet, fires can still be damaged, and altered by fire. 2+2 equals 4.
 
Well, I don't know why you aren't convinced by Chris yet. He's been repeating himself for years now. Isn't that the way to convince people? Just keep saying the same thing over and over again on an internet forum? I'm completely convinced now. It had to have been an inside job. Chris says so, 350 times and counting!
As long as OCTers keep making absurd statements like the one Griz just made, I will keep pointing out how absurd it is to claim that gravity can be turned sideways or that buildings are made of spring steel.
 
Or rather, an analogy.

Once upon a time, not so long ago, in a place not all that far away, there existed a class. This class was full of people of differing viewpoints and background, but they got together because most of them wanted to learn in a lively way.

One day, the class had an assignment to do, a simple question to answer, and a new student arrived. Lets call him Bob, a nice generic name.

Well, Bob showed up with a smile and a smirk, for he knew he was smarter than everyone else in the class. How did he know he was the smartest? Because that is what he believed, and believed it he did with all his being.

Well Bob had been checking the answers that the other students had for the question, and he smiled to himself, for only he had the right answer, and he knew this because with his intellect, he must have had the right answer.

What was this question? A simple one. What is 2 +2? And it was advised that the students should show how they arrived at their conclusion, for even if the answer was wrong, insights could be gained from how the answer was arrived at.

So Bob walked up to the front of the class with his smirk. And he announced to the class, "2+2 equals.. orange!"

The silence was deafening. No-one said a word, and Bob grinned even wider, knowing that everyone was overwhelmed with his vast knoweldge, and ability. Then one student raided their hand, and said, "But isn't 2+2 equal to 4?"

Bob raised his hand, and pointed at the student who spoke. And he laughed, "Look at you! I can't believe you said that! Everyone else is laughing at you too, because of your stupid answer!" But no-one else was laughing. Only Bob. The students were confused by his statement, for indeed, no-one else was laughing.

Another student raised his arm, and asked, "Well, how did you come to your conclusion?"

Bob grinned as he shook his head, "I can not believe I came to this class. I was told that these people were smart, but it is obvious that this is a poor class, and no-one here is worth my time. I should not have to do your work for you, for if you can not find the answer, then you aren't smart enough!" Bobs friend, Bill then jumped up clapping, "Alright Bob! You show them!"

Again the students were confused by the answer, and started muttering to each other. Clearly the class was overwhelmed by the greatness that was Bob. A third student raised their hand, and asked, "Well.. Uh.. Would that be the colour orange, or the fruit?"

At this, Bob rolled his eyes to the heavens, and said, "Oh.. Why am I here, and not with the gifted students, its so obvious that you are all mentally incompetent if you do not even know the answer to such a simple question!" He then compared himself to a great athlete who managed to win a game against others who were useless in the sport. This was a strange comment, for it always seemed that Bob was the last one picked in sports for he wasn't very good there either.

Bill of course jumped up and down, clapping and laughing, "You show 'em Bob!"

The class then broke up into smaller groups to discuss their answers, which were all vastly different from Bob's 'conclusion', for they actually used math, and numbers for the solution. As it turned out, everyone started to ignore Bob, which only reinforced the thought that Bob was far too smart, and perfect for the class, they were awed by him. And so, Bob basked in the glow of what he felt was his own greatness.

And yet, fires can still be damaged, and altered by fire. 2+2 equals 4.

Man I thought this was by a truther about a debunker and then I read "fires can still be damaged, and altered by fire".
 
So you think the flicker factor could hurl 4 ton frame sections up to 500 feet laterally.

It's a mechanism called buckling, and the points where the buckling would have been most prominent are where the connections gave out. tfk gave you a very simplified analogy and you still did not understand the concept. And yes when a heavy object has a downward vector influenced by gravity in addition to a horizontal motion vector a 4 ton object isn't going to "bounce" off an 18 inch thick wall. Surprising you seem oblivious to the concept despite your claimed knowledge of otherwise.
 
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Chris, you obviously have nothing to contribute here, and you are even an embarrassment to your own side.

Many of your truther comrades accept that the planes hit the towers and gravity dominated the collapse.

They are on to making a case that the conspiracy was prodding the hijackers into doing it.
 
No one here is honest enough to acknowledge the simple and obvious fact that NIST admitted that they did not explain how the towers collapsed.

Strange, you believe everything else they say.
 
Griz, I tried to explain buckling to him earlier in this thread and even showed him videos of how it happens with a demonstration of how parts fly out. He seem immune to facts like the kid with his fingers in his ears yelling "La! La! La! I CANT HEAR YOU!"
 
bill,

Would YOU like to give this idiocy a whirl ?

Happy to give "this idiocy" a whirl.
I couldn't have phrased it better myself.

Maybe you would like to watch this video fullscreen and tell us if the crumpling and distortion we see in the perimeter columns of the upper clock of WTC1 before there is any crumpling or distortion in the lower 90% of the building means that the top block was already imploding prior to impact with with the lower bock ?

Just for yucks & giggles ...

Let's assume, for the moment, that there was BOTH some crumpling and distortion in the upper block before there was crumpling or distortion in the lower 90% of the building...

The structure of the upper portion of the building had just globally failed. All of the internal structure is tied together. You agree, presumably, that the bottom components of the lattice skeleton of this 15 story block was just ripped apart. Somehow.

You tell me why you are surprised that building segment, whose almost 300 support structures have just been ripped apart, should show evidence of its structure being utterly destroyed.

Now, this is far, far more important. You're stating "imploding". Please explain YOUR theory of exactly what happened. Please explain the sequence of events in detail, and make sure to describe how the sequence fits all the evidence.

Can you comment othe fact that the antenna appears to begin sinking intothe buiding prior to any other sign of collapse?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9-owhllM9k

Explain to me YOUR theory of exactly what happened to allow the antenna to descend. Explain why that you are continuing to advance this theory, even tho others have pointed out that this is simply an optical illusion that is falsified from videos taken from different direction.

Please also explain exactly your theory of the sequence of events that accounts for this - and all other - evidence.

That's MY comment. its YOUR "gotcha". YOU develop it into a self consistent theory.

tk
 
Many of your truther comrades accept that the planes hit the towers and gravity dominated the collapse.
A CD is a gravity collapse.

However, gravity cannot hurl 4 ton frame sections up to 500 feet laterally. Many here try to rationalize how this could happen. Some fully understand how silly these rationalizations are, pull out all the stops and site the fist on BigMac hypothesis.
 

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