So why did the french colonialism cause the Vietnam War since Vietnam was a colony of France? Second is it true that France left Vietnam because they needed more troops to keep their other colony Algeria since Algeria was also a colony of France? 
Algeria, France and Vietnam
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You just answered your own question, besides forgetting that the Japanese did a lovely job of conquering Viet Nam and occupying it, having added it to their empire at the expense of the French Empire.
No.Second is it true that France left Vietnam because they needed more troops to keep their other colony Algeria since Algeria was also a colony of France?
Any other questions, moon?
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You are wrong. There was a war in Algeria called Algerian War during 1 November 1954 – 19 March 1962 so France took the troops out of Vietnam and sent them to Algeria but still lost. I can really understand why Robert Mugabe hates hypocrites like Gordon Brown so much.
And the original reason why America went to Vietnam was because France could not control French Indochina anymore. No french colonialism, no Vietnam war.
Lets not forget the Franco–Thai War of October 1940–May 9, 1941. So pretty funny when french cry what the germans did to them during WW2. I guess Hitler teached the french men how colonialism feels like.
It was not Vietnam. Japan invaded part of French Indochina and that started the Franco–Thai War. So how nice for french colonialists to defend their colonial intrests during WW2.
Japan had every right invade French Indochina since France originally invaded those areas. Are you defending french colonialism? 
Moon, are you playing Risk? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_(game)
From what I remember of my history PhD the French withdrew their troops from Vietnam, and then Algeria, in preparation for an invasion of Finland. The plan was called off at the last minute due to the French military top brass being decidedly unimpressed, while at a Finnish Embassy function, at the standard of the indigenous cheese.
From what I remember of my history PhD the French withdrew their troops from Vietnam, and then Algeria, in preparation for an invasion of Finland. The plan was called off at the last minute due to the French military top brass being decidedly unimpressed, while at a Finnish Embassy function, at the standard of the indigenous cheese.
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You can see a small button on the lower right of your posts which is labeled "edit." It's just left of the "link" button. I humbly suggest you familiarize yourself with it at the first opportunity.
We would have kicked the french colonialists just like we kicked the germans in the Lapland War and russians in the Battle of Tali-Ihantala.
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Moon, help me out, here.
Now, I can understand French-Viet Nam-French-Algiers.... be assured that as usual much of your information is wrong or based on history as written on the back of a box of Sugar Frosted Flakes.... but at least there is a legitimate historical connnection.
But..... now here's where I need the help.... how do we then get from North Africa and L'Indochine to Southern Africa, Mugabe, and Gordon Brown? And would you be talking about the same Robert Mugabe who's in the news a lot of late? Robert Mugabe calling anyone a hypocrite would be a joke of the highest order.
So why did the french colonialism cause the Vietnam War since Vietnam was a colony of France? Second is it true that France left Vietnam because they needed more troops to keep their other colony Algeria since Algeria was also a colony of France?
Regarding your first question I guess it has to do with the French being complete jerks towards the Vietnamese. But during the colonial period the French used the Deuxieme Bureau to great effect in the area, having a vast body of informants that allowed them to quell clandestine groups extremely quickly.
In WWII they were at loggerheads against the Kempeitai, the Japanese military/secret police as the Japanese were supporting groups who were opposed to the colonial administration.
It culminated in the French attempting a coup against the Japanese in the country, but was suppressed and helped to break the Bureau and their web partly through the creation of the Empire of Vietnam and partly because the French who weren't killed or in the jungle were interred by the Japanese.
When the Empire of Vietnam (like the other Japanese puppet states) collapsed at the end of WWII a power vacuum ensued, allowing groups like the Vietminh to gain more power. The French, when they returned to the colony, were fighting to regain control of the colony. Bad decisions, by the French in the north, and the British, helping the French in Cochin China and then the death of one of the more promising generals in the area, coupled with Mao Zedong gaining control of southern China allowing weapons to flow unhindered through the border controlled by the Vietminh plus a use of more unconventional tactics helped the Vietminh to defeat the French at Dien Bien Phu in 1954 and force the hand of the French with the 1954 Geneva Accords giving them independence.
I don't know about fighting in Algeria, but their war of independence started on November 1, Dien Bien Phu was from March - May '54, while the last official battle of the First Indochina War was the Battle of Mang Yang Pass in late June - early July of the same year.
By the looks of it, by the time the fighting really broke out in Algeria the French still had the remnants of forces from former French Indochina that they could re-deploy to Algeria. I don't know if that actually happened or not, I think someone who knows more about the fighting in Algeria would be able to fill us in on that.
Noup it is not wrong. French were colonialists. Very simple. France took the troops out of Vietnam colony because it needed them to keep another colony called Algeria. So are you denying that Vietnam was a part of French Indochina?
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I strongly object to this thread because there's no Stalin-Finland-Jews connection implied in it.
This thread is mal f u n cti o n in g!
This thread is mal f u n cti o n in g!
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I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop. There has to be something about Jews coming.
It probaly matters to the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki who were called war criminal colonialists by the british and french.
Hirohito was a saint compared to Winston Churchill and other colonialists.It also probaly matters to the relatives of those americans who died in the Vietnam war because of french colonialism. It probaly matters to those cambodians who died because Pol Pot got to power after Vietnam War. It probaly matters to the japanese people who were called colonialist war criminals and Empire of Japan was called evil. No french colonialism, no Vietnam War and Pol Pot. So before people blame Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon maybe they should first blame french colonialism. Vietnam was a colony of France and a part of French Indochina. France caused the Vietnam War.
France is to blame for the Vietnam War and not America.No, HoChi Minh and his troops caused the war (the presence of the French may have been a factor, but nothing required Uncle Ho to attack them and try to take over (eventually with success)). BTW, I was there-'69-70. And, it is still long over. BTB, the Americans who died there were not there because of the French, they were there because of an idiot belief on the part of some US politicians called the Domino Effect. Without that, it is extremely unlikely we would have been there.It also probaly matters to the relatives of those americans who died in the Vietnam war because of french colonialism. It probaly matters to those cambodians who died because Pol Pot got to power after Vietnam War. It probaly matters to the japanese people who were called colonialist war criminals and Empire of Japan was called evil. No french colonialism, no Vietnam War and Pol Pot. So before people blame Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon maybe they should first blame french colonialism. Vietnam was a colony of France and a part of French Indochina. France caused the Vietnam War.