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Freemasons.

My daughter's church youth pastor was really bent out of shape when he learned my whole family belongs to the Free Masons, so I invited him to an open meeting and Jobie girl's Christmas party afterward.
Now this was a really reluctant fellow but he came and eventually calmed down and had a good time.
Maybe you should find out when there is an open meeting and hang out with the Masons for awhile, they'll be glad to answer any question that you have.
 
I know that Aussie freemasons are partial to a beer at a barbie. But that's probably just for show.

Norm
 
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So I guess what I am trying to say is that I am recovering from such a Shock.
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I guess I still don't get it.

What about it shocked you so bad?

What I'm asking is - what behavior on the part of your family member shocked you? Is he doing anything that frightens you?

And here's the kicker - why don't you talk to HIM about it instead of letting people who make their living off of exploiting people's fear shape your worldview. Believe it or not, they have a vested interest in getting you afraid of your own family. Once you have the wedge driven between you and your relatives, you'll keep dropping money on their DVD's and "literature" trying to get closer to the truth. It's all a wash.

Your relations are not part of any kind of New World Order. Talk to him about your concerns instead of letting people on the outside make up your mind for you.
 
Why do they need to be secret , i mean , your being charitable and worshiping god so why would you need to do it in secret lmao..

The top levels worship lucifer THATS WHY Its in Albert pikes book
Morals and Dogma .
 
GodisEnergy said:
The top levels worship lucifer THATS WHY Its in Albert pikes book
Morals and Dogma .
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Wow. I'm pretty sure you don't know that much about Albert Pike.

I invite you to prove me wrong.

I am not a Mason and have no vested interest in protecting the fraternity.

Did you know that the man responsible for the claims against Freemasonry of Satanic worship ADMITTED it was all a hoax in 1897?

He was also a former Mason himself, and was kicked out for bad behavior.

Your theory can be shot to hell simply by reading the preface to the book Morals and Dogma.

Did you bother to do that, or did you just start defaming willy-nilly?
 
GodisEnergy said:
Why do they need to be secret , i mean , your being charitable and worshiping god so why would you need to do it in secret lmao..

The top levels worship lucifer THATS WHY Its in Albert pikes book
Morals and Dogma .
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My brother was the Grand Poobah, or whatever they call it of one of the Mason groups in the Geelong area for two years. He is also a member of the Church of England, a lay preacher, and attends a public church every Sundayl. His wife is on the Vestry of that Church. They are simply normal people, with children and grandchildren, who happen to be Christians, and he happens to be a member of something that is little more than a social club which gets together for some social welfare work and a few drinks on a regular basis.

I take it that you have never been in any club that required any form of local ritual or privacy, so you either ignorant of such things, or think that they are all part of some sort of super conspiracy.

As far as praying in secret goes, and although this is a separate issue, this is what Jesus taught if the Bible has any veracity at all. Pray in private! Don't brag to the world how good you are, just do it quietly and privately.

Norm
 
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Uh, if I may add to the "chill, dude" vote. I'm not a Mason, not eligible to be one, since they are deists of some stripe or other, although I knew some, know a few, and as far as I can tell they're on the average better joes than most.

It's a fraternity. A club. It arose out of a trade guild. Some kinds of Masons are among the most charity-minded folks around, look up the "Shriners".

The worst you can say about them is that they get together in big meetings in big halls with huge old pipe organs and sing along with the bouncing ball, or they used to, at least. They also sponsored big bands to come play in their ballroom.

Some of them do wear funny caps, and some others of them drive little tiny cars in parades.

So?
 
yea i dont mind praying in privacy, but for someone curious like me i would like them to teach me , instead they keep their secrets.

As for Taxil hoax, he comes out shows some secrets gets scared after they threaten him so he says its a hoax .
Or he is a mason intentionally revealling secrets so every time in the future when someone says thats a mason secret, they say no its a hoax.
This is masonic double headed eagle yin yang occultism propaganda.There very smart.
Or Predicitve programming

I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam .
Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy
 
GodisEnergy said:
Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy
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That's easy. Give me some evidence that there is anything in Masonry worth critisising. Something more than a CT type statement, that is.

Since Masons must have a belief in some sort of deity, individual Masons can be fundies, in which case they get critisised along with other fundies. Ditto with any other stupidity that any individual can come out with.

I have no problem with criticisng stupid Muslim beliefs, stupid CT beliefs, some of the more stupid beliefs held by some Christians, or flat earthers, Bermuda Trianglists, Yowie believers or any other claims which are cited without any evidence at all.

With Masons, show me the evidence that they are any less or more deserving of criticism than any other group, as a group. As individuals, they say something I believe is stupid, and I can support my point of view with evidence, I will say it.

Norm
 
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GodisEnergy said:
yea i dont mind praying in privacy, but for someone curious like me i would like them to teach me , instead they keep their secrets.

As for Taxil hoax, he comes out shows some secrets gets scared after they threaten him so he says its a hoax .
Or he is a mason intentionally revealling secrets so every time in the future when someone says thats a mason secret, they say no its a hoax.
This is masonic double headed eagle yin yang occultism propaganda.There very smart.
Or Predicitve programming

I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam .
Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy
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Yeah, a whopping conspiracy of guys who drive little cars around in parades and raise a stunning lot of money for Children's hospitals.
 
GodisEnergy said:
As for Taxil hoax, he comes out shows some secrets gets scared after they threaten him so he says its a hoax.
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So Freemasonry allowed him to travel all over Europe for years spreading the secrets - become a celebrity of sorts - and wait until 1897 to shut him up? You gotta be kidding me. Like every other CT, this one requires your evil organization to be simultaneously all-powerful and incompetent. I know critical thinking isn't nearly as fun or giddy as raging against machines, but you gotta grow up sometime.

Or he is a mason intentionally revealling secrets so every time in the future when someone says thats a mason secret, they say no its a hoax.
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By that rationale all of their secrets are already out there, and we're all practically Masons now! If Taxil really put all the real secrets of Freemasonry out there in a protracted disinformation campaign, then you have no reason to be upset about their being secretive since you already know everything.

Or you could accept that this one walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, confessed to being a duck, and that's where it ends. But once again, I guess that's not nearly as fun.

This is masonic double headed eagle yin yang occultism propaganda.There very smart.
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[facepalm] Have you been huddling with Old Bob? Even your grammatical mistakes are similar.

Or Predicitve programming
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Which just about every person with a reasoning above that of a third grader accepts as being pure bunk. And again - it's more fun to pretend that our lives are in the grasp of shadowy puppet masters than to take responsibility for our own faults.

I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam .
Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy
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It's not a crime to criticize Masons and Jews. You're free to do it all you want. You're also going to get called on it because it displays ignorance.

When did criticizing Christians and Muslims become trendy again?

I think your brain-to-post cutout switch is malfunctioning.
 
GodisEnergy said:
yea i dont mind praying in privacy, but for someone curious like me i would like them to teach me , instead they keep their secrets.

As for Taxil hoax, he comes out shows some secrets gets scared after they threaten him so he says its a hoax .
Or he is a mason intentionally revealling secrets so every time in the future when someone says thats a mason secret, they say no its a hoax.
This is masonic double headed eagle yin yang occultism propaganda.There very smart.
Or Predicitve programming

I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam .
Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy
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When you at least attempt to start correctly spelling words, I will respond to your paranoid post.
 
If Masonry is as powerful as has been suspected, my Dad really got the shaft. He's a former Master who worked and retired as a truck driver. He had to work a few extra years, past retirement age, so he could get that bump in Social Security.

I had to live with my great-Uncle a 33rd degree member of the Scottish Rite towards the end of his life (when he was diagnosed with alzheimers), because he couldn't afford a nursing home. The only thing he got was a large group of people showed up at his funeral and the Chanters (whom he was the accompaniest for) sang some hymms.
 
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If you're so interested, why not just join and find out? It's not like it's that hard.
 
GodisEnergy said:
I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam .
Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy
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Yes, but those "extremists" in the Masons are purely a matter of your speculation and imagination; the extremists in Christianity and Islam are matters of public record.

As fromdownunder said, when you provide evidence of "Mason Extremists" that's as clear as the evidence of Christians leading the Crusades, or pushing creationism, or of certain Muslims engaging in terrorism, then we'll talk.
 
GodisEnergy said:
yea i dont mind praying in privacy, but for someone curious like me i would like them to teach me , instead they keep their secrets.
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What secret would that be? Would that be the masonic ritual available in every bookstore, library, and available on google? Oh man, we're so good at keeping our secrets.

Ignorant people believe that the secrets of freemasonry entail something that gives you some sort of mystical knowledge or power. They are not. The signs, grips, words, and everything else are available for you to read or buy and have been for almost 300 years. You can buy it and memorize it all and still be no closer to the real secrets of freemasonry - which is nothing but the experience of going through the ritual.

Frankly why would it matter if there are secrets? It has no impact on your life. It doesn't prevent you from living the life the way you want. You do not have a right to know everything about every private organization in the world.

GodisEnergy said:
I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam .
Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy
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This solidifies that you have no idea what you are talking about. Freemasonry is not a religion. If you cannot tell the difference between a secular fraternity and religion, then you really should not be commenting about it. What in the world is someone going to get "extremist" about in freemasonry? Are they going to go extreme on the tenets of the fraternity - friendship, morality, and brotherly love? Oh noes! A brotherly love extremist..he's...he's..GIVING PEOPLE HUGS! RUN FOR THE HILLS!

:rolleyes:
 
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