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Universal Health Care in the US. Yea or Nea?

Universal Health Care in America?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 68 61.8%

  • No!

    Votes: 24 21.8%

  • Don't care.

    Votes: 2 1.8%

  • I don't know enough either way to answer right now.

    Votes: 10 9.1%

  • Universal Shemp Care.

    Votes: 6 5.5%
  • Total voters
    110
  • Poll closed .
Or (and isn't this just right back to the start?) under your current system you are already forced to pay for other peoples' HC, why not then encourage a move to a system which will you result in having to pay less than you currently do. Wouldn't that be the lesser of two evils?
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Yes, and I don't think I should have to pay in the system we have now. I am trying to move to a system that is cheaper (without going socialized).
 
Well what it sounds like is that you wish to move to a system that is cheaper for you? Is that correct?
 
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
Let me ask a simple question. What if I don't want to contribute to anyones HC? Why should I have to if I'm not asking anyone to pay for mine?
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What if I don't want to contribute to anyone's police/fire-department/military/food standards agency/judicial system/prison/road?

Why should I have to if I'm not asking anyone to pay for mine?
 
Are you SERIOUS? You don't know anyone who can't afford a car? Even if that is true (and I find it hard to believe), do you think the world ends with "people Dan Stanley knows"? You are aware that people who cannot afford cars exist, right?

I can't afford a car and I earn $44,000 a year, more or less.
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I seriously dont know one person who can't afford to make payments on at least a 500 dollar clunker, no! Is that really that hard to believe. If you make 44K you can afford a car, just not a BMW.
 
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DaN K. StAnLeY said:
Yes, and I don't think I should have to pay in the system we have now. I am trying to move to a system that is cheaper (without going socialized).
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Eh? You do understand how insurance works don't you? Or do you want to move away from an insurance based system, if so what?
 
Delscottio said:
Eh? You do understand how insurance works don't you? Or do you want to move away from an insurance based system, if so what?
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Moving away from insurance would be great. Or at least changing insurance so it isn't attached to your job. That way when you switch jobs you can take your insurance with you. Ideally you would only need insurance for major surgeries or treatments like cancer, heart attack, etc....
 
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
It's a good thing a chemo pill doesn't cost as much as a house.
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How about adding the costs of surgery, radiotherapy, MRI scans and other diagnostic tests to the cost of the chemo pill.

The cost of the healthcare my father received (~£150k, equiv. to $300k in 2006) by the time he died exceeded the value of the house he and my mother (just about) owned. That was for a single year of treatment.

But hey, even though his brain tumour rendered him unable to utter a coherent sentence, he could have effectively bargained with physicians to get the lowest cost treatment possible.:rolleyes:
 
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DaN K. StAnLeY said:
Moving away from insurance would be great. Or at least changing insurance so it isn't attached to your job. That way when you switch jobs you can take your insurance with you. Ideally you would only need insurance for major surgeries or treatments like cancer, heart attack, etc....
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Freeloader! If you have a heart-attack and are paid out of the insurance pot, you are a freeloader, as you get out more than you put in.

Scum! :rolleyes:
 
The cost of the healthcare my father received (~£150k, equiv. to $300k in 2006) by the time he died exceeded the value of the house he and my mother (just about) owned. That was for a single year of treatment.

But hey, even though his brain tumour rendered him unable to utter a coherent sentence he could have effectively bargained with physicians to get the lowest cost treatment possible.
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I'm sorry for your loss, but people die. Even with the best care in the world people still die and it suck, but it is my problem to take care of everyone else.
 
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
I seriously dont know one person who can't afford to make payments on at least a 500 dollar clunker, no! Is that really that hard to believe. If you make 44K you can afford a car, just not a BMW.
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Have you ever been poor? Not even impoverished, just poor? Where the last vestiges of change in your pocket mean that you get to eat today and that's a good thing.

I think you need to start looking at life in your country outside your immidiate neighbourhood, I think you have a false impression of the way the world actually is.
 
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
Moving away from insurance would be great. Or at least changing insurance so it isn't attached to your job. That way when you switch jobs you can take your insurance with you. Ideally you would only need insurance for major surgeries or treatments like cancer, heart attack, etc....
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Would you consider putting a cap on universal health care treatment? I.e if the treatment was to cost under $10k (random number btw) the treatment would be covered by UHS, over 10k and its an insurance job?


I don't understand the insurance arguement, does you employer not contribute a large amount ($) to the plan? Who would pick up the tab if you can move around?

Out of interest why would you want to take an expensive plan with you when it has been demonstrated in other countries a similar level of health care can be provided much much cheaper?
 
And what would it take to change your mind on the "not socialised" criteria?
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Proof that UHC will bring lower and better medical care to my country. It's an interesting thread for me.
 
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
If your banking 44K a year and can't afford a car, I ditto your WOW. I'll also raise you a HOLY [rule 10]!
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OK. I earn £1,300 a month after tax. My rent is £400 a month, my travel costs are £400 a month, my loan repayments for my post-graduate education are £300 a month and... well.. you can see from that I have £200 a month left for food and other expenses. £50 a week.

How, precisely, can I afford a car? Now, I ain't broke or poor, but I most certainly can't afford a car. I work for a small charity - and if I didn't have the NHS, I also couldn't afford (and nor could my employer) any health insurance. And I earn over $40,000 a year.

Nearly 20% of Americans live on less than a quarter of that.
 
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