Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3

[Crowlogic]

Hey LT this joint stopped being about facts about 6000 posts ago. This is British Parliment posturing comes first. BTW I had a warm beer this afternoon and enjoyed it. Nothing says life is good than being able to actually enjoy a warm beer. I hate coming home only to have to return home.

 

[kitakaze]

Hey LT this joint stopped being about facts about 6000 posts ago.

Gee, log, what do you mean? This thread with about 880 posts or just the whole kit and kaboodle forum? I know you think this is an adolescent locker room. It must be our creamy ham strings that keep you around.

This is British Parliment posturing comes first. BTW I had a warm beer this afternoon and enjoyed it. Nothing says life is good than being able to actually enjoy a warm beer. I hate coming home only to have to return home.

So, log, are you still a drunk? :

So Senex are you still a drunk?

In spite of being plied this evening with serious amounts of champane and Godiva chocolate I'll include that no amount of chocolate or champane is going to make Bob H look like he's "suit boy".

Kettle meet pot, pour in champagne.

 

[makaya325]

Thats correct.

I have faith in what I think I saw ( about 80%) and I know my standards of evidence and proof. When I hear other sightings, I say the INVESTIGATION was wrong or other flags.

Make sure you get your facts straight

Are you sure it wasnt a man in a cheap suit?

 

[kitakaze]

No, hypocrite. Try doing some research.

The teenage boy Bigfoot enthusiast who said "out of all these supposed sightings, very few deal with road side encounters," and was completely unable to provide evidence asked of him in nearly every case is suggesting I try some research. OK, little mak. Let's try some research. What do you have there?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigfoot


About half of all Bigfoot sightings are concentrated in the Pacific Northwest, with a roughly equal number of sightings spread throughout the rest of North America.[6][8][9] Some Bigfoot advocates, such as cryptozoologist John Willison Green, have postulated that Bigfoot is a worldwide phenomenon

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Isn't that cute? The boy used a wikipedia quote. Note the person saying about half listed some references at the end of the sentence. Where do those links refer to? Why, they refer to the BFRO. You'll remember the BFRO. You've stated on numerous ocassions that the BFRO is woo and a joke. But wait, you say their database is second to none. Well, luckily I had the idea to check the BFRO's much referenced database to research the math that half of all reports are from the PNW. Why would I do that? Well, as a BF skeptic and person who has researched countless reports I had general recollections about some of the numbers and remembered that beyond the PNW they are significant. Let's check my research, shall we?

Here's the BFRO geographical database main page:

http://bfro.net/GDB/

Now keep in mind you said "more than half of reports come from the pnw."

OK, let's start with PNW as the U.S. region of Washington, Oregon, and northern California:

WA - 455
OR - 208
CA - 401

Total - 1041

Now all other states combined - 2316

All U.S. total - 3351

So in this in stance PNW alleged sighting count for less than a third of the combined total.

Now to be fair we should introduce Canada into the mix. Let's add British Columbia to the PNW total:

BC - 110 + 1041 = 1151.

Now we add the rest off Canada to the combined rest of the U.S.:

Rest of Canada - 132 + Rest of U.S. - 2316 = 2448

Now we have 1151 + 2448 = 3599

Now in this instance we still have less than a third of the combined total. We could do some charity and throw the PNW Alaska's piddly 19 reports but is that really going to matter? The PNW does not account for more than half of all alleged sighting by the very source your article referenced. You fail.

Learn how to spell genius. Its clueless

Thanks for trying to keep me sharp, little mak. I make typos all the time when I'm typing fast. My big one is you/your. My spelling is fine and as you can see here, I'm well aware of how to spell "clueless":

Do you think you're helping Bigfootery or damaging it by being so clueless. Can you hear the groans out there? They groan for you.

Little mak - clueless footer or most clueless footer?

You see, if I didn't know how to spell it before, I would certainly have to learn it quick for the amount of times it is appropriate to use when addressing your posts. It's all about consistency, really. So on the level I can easily tell you learn to quote properly, spell, use capital letters where appropriate, proper punctuation genius.

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

kit,

Normally I wince when I see people respond to obvious trolls, but your demolishing of the "PNW makes up the majority of Bigfoot reports" claim made it all worthwhile. I also liked how the quote he sourced to back up his claim said that Bigfoot is seen worldwide. So much for the "rare and only found in the PNW" argument!

One thing though: female Bili apes were found with sagittal crests, so it's probably best to retire the comments along the line of "female apes don't have sagittal crests" argument.

I'd like to add the following to the discussion of Patterson's artwork: Let's not forget that Patterson's drawing of the Roe encounter is copied from a drawing by Morton Kunstler, which matches up almost exactly to a still of Patty (as noted here). It should be noted that Mr. Kunstler does not seem to be a Bigfoot researcher, which would kill any attempt to claim that Patty matches the drawing simply because a researcher would know enough about sasquatchs to create an accurate drawing of one. The only other Bigfoot related thing he did was this magazine article, which makes me think that he was merely asked to provide illustrations, Bigfoot-related or otherwise, for that magazine. I'd also like to note that both the Roe drawings by Kunstler and Patterson (along with Patterson's Bigfoot bust) have pointed head of sorts.

Occam's Razor says that a Bigfoot film by a known "ethically-challenged" man who produced artwork (copied from other sources) that look like the film's subject before said film was made is almost certainly a hoax.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Are you sure it wasnt a man in a cheap suit?

No

 

[JohnWS]

Actually, I think in every way that counts Roe's daughter's drawing is similar to Patty.

On contemplation I'm thinking that the Roe drawing is a straight no nonsense 'factual' rendition of the alleged encounter - drawn by someone who has little artistic ability. The Roe encounter might have deeply impressed Patterson, enough for it to perhaps even subconsciously have crept into the PGF description.

However, Patterson is a much better artist, but the Roe drawing would not be anything like dramatic enough for his tastes. His is a 'souped' version of essentially the same thing.

Edit: I'd forgotten about that Kunstler drawing AMM. From memory I think from memory the biggest difference is in the tree count .

 

[I Am He]

Remember, when all else fails woo trolls start in on your spelling.



I Am He

 

[Correa Neto]

Hey, K!

Nice work demolishing "the majority of the sightings come from PNW" claim!

BTW... "Cripplehand"? ROFLMAOL!!!!
Cripplefoot, cripplehand and not a single specimen or good imagery?
Now I am eagerly awaiting for the braids, poop, sticks, bullet impacts... Yes folks, let's think outside of the box...

 

[Aepervius]

Kita, he probably just read the wiki article which exactly state that (half/half) without checking the reference or checking for himself. I left a comment in the talk section of "bigfoot" and see if somebody will edit or check or whatever. Article in wiki is semi locked so I can't edit it or reference to the number in reference "8".

 

[kitakaze]

On contemplation I'm thinking that the Roe drawing is a straight no nonsense 'factual' rendition of the alleged encounter - drawn by someone who has little artistic ability. The Roe encounter might have deeply impressed Patterson, enough for it to perhaps even subconsciously have crept into the PGF description.

I posted about a month or two ago what I felt had been one of the best Bigfoot documentaries ever and a good look at classic Bigfootery, ANE's Bigfoot: Man or Beast?. At the time I had noted that one feature if note was an interview with William Roe's daughter, Myrtle Walton, in which she described exactly the process of creating the drawing which is featured prominently on the wall of her home. Unfortunately, the entire film has been removed and only the first ten minutes are available now but the interview is there starting at 7:50:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3rRL3XWE0s

Edit: I'd forgotten about that Kunstler drawing AMM. From memory I think from memory the biggest difference is in the tree count .

I've posted extensively about Patterson's ripping off of Kunstler in the past and so I keep those images handy. I will be featuring them in a major piece I have coming up about the PGF but here they are now:




That's Patty.

 

[desertyeti]

It's called a storyboard.
Directors have quick sketches drawn up of the proposed scene.
Includes the main actors, the background, set pieces, etc.
In this case, they are in order: Patty, a sloping forested hillside, and an open set with downed trees and root systems.
Patterson was nothing if not consistent...

 

[kitakaze]

Hey, K!

Nice work demolishing "the majority of the sightings come from PNW" claim!

Thanks. We will of course continue to hear things like "did you now the well over half of all Bigfoot sightings come from the Congo-like PNW?" for quite some time, I'm sure.

BTW... "Cripplehand"? ROFLMAOL!!!!
Cripplefoot, cripplehand and not a single specimen or good imagery?
Now I am eagerly awaiting for the braids, poop, sticks, bullet impacts... Yes folks, let's think outside of the box...

Wasn't that stunning? Sometimes you can see these "A-ha!" moments where you can see Sweaty's brain fall right out of his head. The no-fingers revelation was certainly one of them. The resolution doesn't show him what he expects to see so naturally it isn't there. He walked right into blasted Patty school and he didn't even think about it! Fantastic.

Here's two clips from the PGF that show Patty's left hand looking pretty much like her right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5tvXoGQ4UI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT-R4Bus5Cs&feature=related

Note to Sweaty before he jumps to misinterpret: I did not claim to actually see individual fingers on Patty's left hand in those images.

 

[JohnWS]

At the time I had noted that one feature if note was an interview with William Roe's daughter, Myrtle Walton, in which she described exactly the process of creating the drawing which is featured prominently on the wall of her home.

Thanks for reposting - I missed it first time round. Fascinating - pity the whole thing is not still up. I note the production company, ANE is a name that has been linked with Patterson in the past.

On the drawings - I remembered correctly - RP drew three trees in the middle distance as opposed to four in the 'inspiration' .

 

[makaya325]

Thanks. We will of course continue to hear things like "did you now the well over half of all Bigfoot sightings come from the Congo-like PNW?" for quite some time, I'm sure.



Wasn't that stunning? Sometimes you can see these "A-ha!" moments where you can see Sweaty's brain fall right out of his head. The no-fingers revelation was certainly one of them. The resolution doesn't show him what he expects to see so naturally it isn't there. He walked right into blasted Patty school and he didn't even think about it! Fantastic.

Here's two clips from the PGF that show Patty's left hand looking pretty much like her right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5tvXoGQ4UI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT-R4Bus5Cs&feature=related

Note to Sweaty before he jumps to misinterpret: I did not claim to actually see individual fingers on Patty's left hand in those images.

The pnw constitutes quite a big chunk of reports. Perhaps the lower states have small pockets of these animals?

You still didnt debunk the wiki quote of the pnw constituting more than 50 %

 

[kitakaze]

The pnw constitutes quite a big chunk of reports. Perhaps the lower states have small pockets of these animals?

You still didnt debunk the wiki quote of the pnw constituting more than 50 %

Makaya, I say this with absolutely no malice or intention to insult you. After much of seeing your responses such as the one above, I am convinced that you either have a significant disability comprehending written information or read only small fragments of each post you look at. In either case your ability to participate in a meaningful way in such conversations as this is extemely limited and I will from this point forward respond to your posts with that disability in mind.

My post debunking your claim of over 50% PNW sightings explicitly uses the source you listed. I suggest you show that post to an adult who can explain to you carefully the information in it.

 

[makaya325]

Makaya, I say this with absolutely no malice or intention to insult you. After much of seeing your responses such as the one above, I am convinced that you either have a significant disability comprehending written information or read only small fragments of each post you look at. In either case your ability to participate in a meaningful way in such conversations as this is extemely limited and I will from this point forward respond to your posts with that disability in mind.

My post debunking your claim of over 50% PNW sightings explicitly uses the source you listed. I suggest you show that post to an adult who can explain to you carefully the information in it.

Tell me, where would you look for bf if it exists? Not freaking jersey or time square, which you cherry pick. You would go to the pnw, 72 million plus remote acres. Humans are hypocritical when it comes to this. "Eyewitnesses MUST be wrong when seeing bf, But theres no possibility Bob h is lieing"

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Hey LT this joint stopped being about facts about 6000 posts ago. This is British Parliment posturing comes first. BTW I had a warm beer this afternoon and enjoyed it. Nothing says life is good than being able to actually enjoy a warm beer. I hate coming home only to have to return home.

Beeeeeeeeeer

 

[kitakaze]

Tell me, where would you look for bf if it exists?

I would look in a place where reliable evidence has been produced. No such thing exists so I don't need to think much about it.

Not freaking jersey or time square, which you cherry pick.

Not only do you demonstrate a pronounced lack of knowledge about basic Bigfootery knowledge such as when you said that fvery few reports deal with roadside encounters or over 50% of sightings from PNW, but you don't even seem to understand the term "cherry-pick" or the fact that you are the one who brought up NJ.

The fact is that the BFRO has 42 alleged sightings logged for NJ. The fact is that if one lived in or near NJ and wasn't able to make it to the PNW, they could do much worse than searching in NJ. The fact is that Bigfoot enthusiasts do search in NJ for Bigfoot. Only seconds of googling show this. You are scoffing at the idea of NJ because you are the most ignorant bigfoot enthusiast I have ever encountered on this forum.

Here for you to look at and quickly disregard while raising some other idiotic strawman is a link to the Northeast Sasquatch Research Association's New Jersey Pine Barren Expedition information page:

http://www.teamnesra.net/drupal/?q=node/24

Once again you make a fool of yourself for me.

You would go to the pnw, 72 million plus remote acres. Humans are hypocritical when it comes to this. "Eyewitnesses MUST be wrong when seeing bf, But theres no possibility Bob h is lieing"[/QUOTE]

 

[makaya325]

I would look in a place where reliable evidence has been produced. No such thing exists so I don't need to think much about it.



Not only do you demonstrate a pronounced lack of knowledge about basic Bigfootery knowledge such as when you said that fvery few reports deal with roadside encounters or over 50% of sightings from PNW, but you don't even seem to understand the term "cherry-pick" or the fact that you are the one who brought up NJ.

The fact is that the BFRO has 42 alleged sightings logged for NJ. The fact is that if one lived in or near NJ and wasn't able to make it to the PNW, they could do much worse than searching in NJ. The fact is that Bigfoot enthusiasts do search in NJ for Bigfoot. Only seconds of googling show this. You are scoffing at the idea of NJ because you are the most ignorant bigfoot enthusiast I have ever encountered on this forum.

Here for you to look at and quickly disregard while raising some other idiotic strawman is a link to the Northeast Sasquatch Research Association's New Jersey Pine Barren Expedition information page:

http://www.teamnesra.net/drupal/?q=node/24

Once again you make a fool of yourself for me.

You would go to the pnw, 72 million plus remote acres. Humans are hypocritical when it comes to this. "Eyewitnesses MUST be wrong when seeing bf, But theres no possibility Bob h is lieing"

[/QUOTE]


No, YOU say "eyewitnesses must be fake when seeing bf, but when someone says "i faked it", you accept it without evidence. You are a hypocrite (after 11 beeers)