Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3

[kitakaze]

So, what is the more likely explanation....Roger skimped on his masterpiece, and just didn't bother to put fingers on the left hand......while he put some type of special hand on the right arm, with remote-controlled fingers???.....or is the more likely explanation simply that Patty has either an injured, or deformed hand?

OMG peeplz!!! Swetyz comin arownd! Now he noz taht patty gots blastd!

I love it! Sweaty dodges left, right, left, right and BOOM! straight into the crazy shack. I'm going to be savouring this one for quite a while.

 

[JohnWS]

But the catch is covering the rubber with a convincing fur cloth that would move in a convincing manner in the era when the Gorn was made.

My bold.
You are just parroting Bill's opinions here.

Why dont you post a healthy orangutan, instead of a thin one to support your claim?

Gone right over your head hasn't it?

 

[Hitch]

That's an excellent quality Cibachrome image of Patty, in the comparison image you posted earlier, John...


[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty/PattyFrame352Cibachrome2.jpg[/qimg]


One interesting thing I noticed is that Patty's left hand can be seen very distinctly from the bright, whitish ground color.
I darkened the image, to make the distinction even clearer...


[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty/PFRame352Hand.jpg[/qimg]


The fingers on her left hand should be clearly visible....but, instead, the background is clearly visible, where her fingers should be.
There seems to be a problem with the fingers.

So, what is the more likely explanation....Roger skimped on his masterpiece, and just didn't bother to put fingers on the left hand......while he put some type of special hand on the right arm, with remote-controlled fingers???.....or is the more likely explanation simply that Patty has either an injured, or deformed hand?

In woo-ville "very distinctly" means "almost, just barely, to not at all."

The actual, most likely, explanation is that the visual quality of the PGF is so bad even the worst, off-the-rack, monkey suit would look as good as what the Pattycakes claim to be able to see.

 

[RayG]

And it's been pointed out numerous times that the apparent 'fingers' on the right hand of the Cibachrome frame are not actual fingers.

RayG

 

[Hitch]

And it's been pointed out numerous times that the apparent 'fingers' on the right hand of the Cibachrome frame are not actual fingers.

RayG

Ah. But we're talking about the left hand now. Once we've had a good long argument about that, we'll move back to the right hand.

Don't you pay any attention when Penn Jillette explains how to use misdirection?

 

[JohnWS]

JohnWS, compare what is written in the Roe account there with the very first description by Patterson to a reporter here:

Fun if you actually paste the descriptions side by side:

My first impression was of a huge man, about six feet tall, almost three feet wide and probably weighing somewhere near 300 pounds.


Patterson said the creature stood upright the entire time, reaching a height of about six and a half to seven feet and an estimated weight of between 350 and 400 pounds.

It's arms hung almost to its knees


Its arms were much thicker than a man's arms, and longer, reaching almost to its knees

The creature had what he described as silvery brown hair all over its body except on its face around the nose and cheeks. The hair was two to four inches long and of a light tint on top with a deeper color underneath.


It was covered from head to foot with dark brown, silver-tipped hair.

But as it came closer I saw by its breasts that it was a female.


PATTERSON said he is very much certain the creature was female "because when it turned towards us for a moment, I could see its breasts hanging down and they flopped when it moved

 

[RayG]

Ah. But we're talking about the left hand now. Once we've had a good long argument about that, we'll move back to the right hand.

Don't you pay any attention when Penn Jillette explains how to use misdirection?

Yes, which is exactly why I brought it up. Under that Cibachrome image of Patty, Sweaty tried to misdirect by commenting, "...while he put some type of special hand on the right arm...".

Sweaty can wave his hands all he likes, he's no magician.

RayG

 

[Crowlogic]

My bold.
You are just parroting Bill's opinions here.


Gone right over your head hasn't it?

Parrot this. Real live does not always look real life. As good as the FX Chimp looked itsnot impossible that the PGF subject would look stellar if photographed with the same image quality.

That said perhaps the "forum experts" rather than whine that nobody is willing to fund a proper debunking of the PGF could petition Jerry Randi to fund the project. With all of the billions of tetrabites of quality science you've all done it should be a cakewalk.

 

[LTC8K6]

Patterson said the creature stood upright the entire time

Yeah, for generous definitions of upright...

 

[JohnWS]

Thanks for the misquote Crow'. I take it was an accident.

 

[makaya325]

My bold.
You are just parroting Bill's opinions here.


Gone right over your head hasn't it?

No it hasnt. Great apes legs jiggle just like pattys

 

[JohnWS]

No it hasnt. Great apes legs jiggle just like pattys

That's not one of the points I was attempting to illustrate/think about at all. Would a performer fit in that orang-utan if it were a suit?

 

[kitakaze]

Fun if you actually paste the descriptions side by side:

Yes, I was thinking it should be laid out that way. Let's not forget:

William Roe - "For a moment it watched me over its shoulder as it went, not exactly afraid, but as though it wanted no contact with anything strange."

Roger Patterson - "She wasn't hostile to us, but we don't think she was afraid of us either. She acted like she didn't want anything to do with us if she could avoid it."

I would really love for some Bigfoot enthusiast to try and make some excuses for the glaring connections between Roe's account and Patterson's film and testimony.

 

[LTC8K6]

Don't forget Roe's drawing...

 

[JohnWS]

William Roe - "For a moment it watched me over its shoulder as it went, not exactly afraid, but as though it wanted no contact with anything strange."

Roger Patterson - "She wasn't hostile to us, but we don't think she was afraid of us either. She acted like she didn't want anything to do with us if she could avoid it."

Hah - I missed that matching pair.

I wonder what an experienced investigator - such as Rockinkt - would make of the similarities in accounts of two witnesses who actually even did have an extremely similar experience. I imagine such a number of positive hits is unlikely to say the least (I may well be wrong).

Don't forget Roe's drawing...

I just pulled that up and compared it to Roger's. Though the written accounts compare spookily , the drawing is dissimilar. What can be made of that?

 

[makaya325]

Do all of you like attacking patterson and gimlin? Are you hellbent on achieving your own little agendas: To expose a film that shows "Water bags, keys, softballs" ( Which, in fact, is paradolia, since you see what you want to see)?

 

[kitakaze]

I just pulled that up and compared it to Roger's. Though the written accounts compare spookily , the drawing is dissimilar. What can be made of that?

Actually, I think in every way that counts Roe's daughter's drawing is similar to Patty. I personally am one of the people who supports the idea that Patterson had Hollywood help in making his suit rather than making the whole thing himself or modified from a Morriss ape suit. Imagine with the matching descriptions from Patterson and Roe, and Roe's image, that this is the template that a suit maker has to work with. Short hair, about 6 ft, built like a thick man, prominent breasts, broad, flat nose, slanting head... this is exactly what we see in Patty. I don't think it's reasonable in the creative process to think that Patty should be the spitting image of the Roe drawing but rather a match in the descriptive details. For example, I don't think Patterson's going to get the suit, try it on or have one of his Bobs do it, see the tummy rocks, and say "hey! the breasts were higher!"

On a list of compared descriptions and noted features Patty and the Roe drawing do great as a match.

 

[makaya325]

Actually, I think in every way that counts Roe's daughter's drawing is similar to Patty. I personally am one of the people who supports the idea that Patterson had Hollywood help in making his suit rather than making the whole thing himself or modified from a Morriss ape suit. Imagine with the matching descriptions from Patterson and Roe, and Roe's image, that this is the template that a suit maker has to work with. Short hair, about 6 ft, built like a thick man, prominent breasts, broad, flat nose, slanting head... this is exactly what we see in Patty. I don't think it's reasonable in the creative process to think that Patty should be the spitting image of the Roe drawing but rather a match in the descriptive details. For example, I don't think Patterson's going to get the suit, try it on or have one of his Bobs do it, see the tummy rocks, and say "hey! the breasts were higher!"

On a list of compared descriptions and noted features Patty and the Roe drawing do great as a match.

Why does roe's creature lack a sagittal crest?

 

[kitakaze]

Do all of you like attacking patterson and gimlin? Are you hellbent on achieving your own little agendas: To expose a film that shows "Water bags, keys, softballs" ( Which, in fact, is paradolia, since you see what you want to see)?

You are personalizing a debate that isn't personal. You do this because you have weak arguments and nothing to support them.

Patty's tummy rocks are a joke and like no primate breasts ever seen. Weird unmuscle-like bulges and lines are clearly visible on Patty's legs. Keys? You lost me. Try explaining those freak features.

 

[makaya325]

You are personalizing a debate that isn't personal. You do this because you have weak arguments and nothing to support them.

Patty's tummy rocks are a joke and like no primate breasts ever seen. Weird unmuscle-like bulges and lines are clearly visible on Patty's legs. Keys? You lost me. Try explaining those freak features.

They look fine to me. What YOU are seeing (rocks, lines) are paradolia