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alien life possibility is pathetic

Sunstealer said:
I'd just like to say well done to Makaya325 and give him credit for actually taking on-board what a majority of posters have put forward and seeing that the original premise was a bit too far-fetched. It takes a lot of courage to change one's position, even when a much more robust opposing position is presented . I wish we'd see a little more of it in the 9/11 conspiracy forum.
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Sunstealer, I too would agree that praise of that type is in order if what you observed did in fact occur. I don't think I've seen that. I've seen makaya constantly be intellectually dishonest and argue for nothing more than the sak of being oppositional. I don't want to rain nothing but criticism on makaya if what you say is true. Can you tell me the post or posts that gave you that impression?
 
Belz... said:
Ah, why doesn't that surprise me.
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What? That he is considered a stalker and takes pride in mocking me? Thanks kitz! You dont need to ****ing point out every damn detail i make. Im AWARE of my mistakes, and i will correct them, not for you, but for me and the general public
 
Makaya, whether you like it or not, the quality of your posts, and the intellectual rigor (or rather the lack of it) that they evince, give you a certain character here. A number of labels might be made for that character, but forum rules prevent me from listing them explicitly. To expect that people who find such sloppy thinking and expression irritating and worthy of reproach will simply back off and let you post your nonsense without challenge is to expect too much. Singling you out for challenge may feel to you like stalking, but you could always simply withdraw. Nobody would chase after you. There's a difference between stalking and shooting on sight.
 
makaya325 said:
What? That he is considered a stalker and takes pride in mocking me? Thanks kitz! You dont need to ****ing point out every damn detail i make. Im AWARE of my mistakes, and i will correct them, not for you, but for me and the general public
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Makaya, you constantly waffle, 180, dodge, sidestep, evade, obfuscate, lie, make things up, pull "facts" out of your butt, ignore real facts, and flee from addressing contradictions. You show no sincere interest in honest debate and refuse to acknowledge blatant fallacies when they are explicitly illustrated for you. You act like a know-it-all and petulant teenager.

I would sincerely like for this to stop. I would also like for you and the people who communicate with you to have a better forum experience. I am going to offer you the following tips to help you avoid the derision and contempt your actions currently inspire in people here.

- It's a skeptic's forum. Skeptic's by nature do not accept wild or spurious claims without substantiation, evidence, and proof.

- Ask yourself, "is what I'm posting factual?" "Do I have evidence/proof to support it?" "Am I familiar with the information I'm referring to?"

- Repeating empty claim is useless, irritating, and shows yourself to be ignorant. Don't do it.

- Don't move goalposts. Did you set a condition for a person to meet to address your argument? Did the person do so and then without acknowledgement of the person meeting that requirement you set a new one? That's moving the goalposts. Don't do it.

- Don't make strawmen. Ask yourself "is this the argument a person is truly making or am I attributing one to them that they haven't made." Ask yourself if you can prove that the person you are attributing an argument to actually made that argument. Be ready to quote and link to the person making the argument you attributed to them. If you can't, acknowledge, retract, apologize.

- Made a mistake? No problem, we're all human (except for myself and the other government AI programs). Acknowledge the mistake, retract the claim, and for good etiquette, apologize.

- If someone debunks a claim and you know full well they did, admit it. Again, acknowledge, retract, apologize. This process improves your arguments by destoying your bad ones or allowing them to be modified. You should be grateful.

- Respect your elders.

- Respect those with expertise in an area you are discussing.

- Read posts addressing your arguments fully and carefully. Make sure you are understanding an argument before rushing to contradict it. If you don't understand, ask for more information or clarification.

- Don't use the forum as a chat room. Don't post quickfire blurbs solely with the intent to oppose someone regardless of the issue. Think about what the other person is saying and put thought into your replies.

- If you really want to learn, act like you want to learn. This forum is the meeting place of extremely intelligent people from all over the world and all sorts of backgrounds. They can teach you much so remember that the next time you are writing a knee-jerk blurb response.

- Most of all, don't be an ass.

Do these things and you will find your experience here, and my manner of dealing with you, to change drastically for the better. I hope you sincerely think about these things.
 
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kitakaze said:
Makaya, you constantly waffle, 180, dodge, sidestep, evade, obfuscate, lie, make things up, pull "facts" out of your butt, ignore real facts, and flee from addressing contradictions. You show no sincere interest in honest debate and refuse to acknowledge blatant fallacies when they are explicitly illustrated for you. You act like a know-it-all and petulant teenager.

I would sincerely like for this to stop. I would also like for you and the people who communicate with you to have a better forum experience. I am going to offer you the following tips to help you avoid the derision and contempt your actions currently inspire in people here.

- It's a skeptic's forum. Skeptic's by nature do not accept wild or spurious claims without substantiation, evidence, and proof.

- Ask yourself, "is what I'm posting factual?" "Do I have evidence/proof to support it?" "Am I familiar with the information I'm referring to?"

- Repeating empty claim is useless, irritating, and shows yourself to be ignorant. Don't do it.

- Made a mistake? No problem, we're all human (except for myself and the other government AI programs). Acknowledge the mistake, retract the claim, and for good etiquette, apologize.

- If someone debunks a claim and you know full well they did, admit it. Again, acknowledge, retract, apologize. This process improves your arguments by destoying your bad ones or allowing them to be modified. You should be grateful.

- Respect your elders.

- Respect those with expertise in an area you are discussing.

- Read posts addressing your arguments fully and carefully. Make sure you are understanding an argument before rushing to contradict it. If you don't understand, ask for more information or clarification.

- Don't use the forum as a chat room. Don't post quickfire blurbs solely with the intent to oppose someone regardless of the issue. Think about what the other person is saying and put thought into your replies.

- If you really want to learn, act like you want to learn. This forum is the meeting place of extremely intelligent people from all over the world and all sorts of backgrounds. They can teach you much so remember that the next time you are writing a knee-jerk blurb response.

- Most of all, don't be an ass.

Do these things and you will find your experience here, and my manner of dealing with you, to change drastically for the better. I hope you sincerely think about these things.
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Ever heard of sociological experiments? You have been a study subject of mine
 
makaya325 said:
Ever heard of sociological experiments? You have been a study subject of mine
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I see you are not interested in improving your experience here or making the effort to be a better JREF member. By all means, enjoy your study and share your notes wherever you think appropriate.

BTW, little mak, I have an important question:

Do you have an umbrella?
 
kitakaze said:
I see you are not interested in improving your experience here or making the effort to be a better JREF member. By all means, enjoy your study and share your notes wherever you think appropriate.

BTW, little mak, I have an important question:

Do you have an umbrella?
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My true belief on et life:

Even if life is rare, life is bound to happen to happen on other planets! After reading grinspoons and dawkins "god delusions" ( dawkins is certain other intelligent life exists! from a true skeptic!)

The debunkery i 1st posted was to see if skeptics here would agree wit me, but actually did the opposite
 
makaya325 said:
What? That he is considered a stalker and takes pride in mocking me? Thanks kitz! You dont need to ****ing point out every damn detail i make. Im AWARE of my mistakes, and i will correct them, not for you, but for me and the general public
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If you didn't spout such inane nonsense with every post maybe you wouldn't be the target of ridicule.

Ever heard of sociological experiments? You have been a study subject of mine
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See what I mean ? You can't even admit the mistakes that you claim to be AWARE of. You just find a justification to try and make yourself look good.

Here's a tip: we're adults. We've seen this type of behaviour before, and we know what it stands for. You need to grow up. Fast.
 
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