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fromdownunder
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GzuzKryzt, I will happily bow in and out of this thread after this single post, as I defer to your ability (and certainly also to most other members of this Board) to get a better result from a potential applicant than I possibly could. I do however have a however, and need to post it.
I have a sinking feeling from abr's posts that he/she possibly thinks that this is the place where things will be decided (due, no doubt to language barriers). I really think that the first thing that you need to do is make the potential applicant seriously aware that the forum and this thread have absolutely nothing to do with the formality of the challenge.
It would be unfair for the hopes of any applicant to be raised in that they think that they are possibly "getting somewhere" here, when "here" is nothing more than a discussion forum, and has nothing to do with the Challenge application or any future agreement with JREF.
Good luck - possibly baby steps required (although anybody like abr who is multilingual is sure as hell smarter than I am).
Norm
I have a sinking feeling from abr's posts that he/she possibly thinks that this is the place where things will be decided (due, no doubt to language barriers). I really think that the first thing that you need to do is make the potential applicant seriously aware that the forum and this thread have absolutely nothing to do with the formality of the challenge.
It would be unfair for the hopes of any applicant to be raised in that they think that they are possibly "getting somewhere" here, when "here" is nothing more than a discussion forum, and has nothing to do with the Challenge application or any future agreement with JREF.
Good luck - possibly baby steps required (although anybody like abr who is multilingual is sure as hell smarter than I am).
Norm
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Without a media presence your application is not going to be accepted.
A media presence can mean a lot of things: An article in a newspaper, an article on a website, a book or a piece you have published, a TV interview by a local channel, an instructional tape, etc.
Practically anything that deals with your ability and can be viewed by the public in some medium.
Perhaps you could rethink your approach of not contacting the press.
Otherwise, I am afraid your quest for the Prize is over.
A media presence can mean a lot of things: An article in a newspaper, an article on a website, a book or a piece you have published, a TV interview by a local channel, an instructional tape, etc.
Practically anything that deals with your ability and can be viewed by the public in some medium.
Perhaps you could rethink your approach of not contacting the press.
Otherwise, I am afraid your quest for the Prize is over.
Czarcasm
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To abr-Was it your intent not to have any publicity at all if you happened to win the MDC?
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Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
I think it's important for you to understand why JREF introduced the media profile requirement. Essentially it's because they do not enjoy publicly humiliating sincere, well meaning people. The challenge was set up principally to call the bluff of professional confidence tricksters who deliberately take advantage of the credulity and gullibility of those not trained in critical thinking in order to cheat them out of their money. Unfortunately such people are adept at finding excuses not to take the challenge, so in practise the only applicants are people who sincerely - but wrongly - believe they have paranormal abilities. By introducing the media profile and academic endorsement requirements the hope is that such people will do the minimum self testing needed to obtain them, and in the process discover for themselves that their abilities are not what they thought, before they embarrass themselves by taking and failing a JREF test.
Startz
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There are some protocols JREF will accept involving multiple people and some protocols they will not accept.
The best thing to do is post a draft of your suggested protocol and then listen to suggestions. I think history shows that people who ask for general answers about what is acceptable never manage to work out a protocol.
I wonder if you were to post in French whether someone here might be willing to post informal translations to make it easier for you to get feedback.
RoboTimbo
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If you need help in French, let me know. I'm rusty but serviceable.
I do not understand what this means. Please clarify, abr.
As far as I know the challenge claim must be made by one single person. The test also will only test the one single person who made the claim.
I recommend you take one step at a time, namely: Have you decided how to get the required media profile?
Let me be clear: Without a media profile, your application will not be accepted. Do you understand this?
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Jackalgirl
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One person makes the application. For example, you.
You can stipulate how many people you need in order to show your abilities. If you need your friend, put that in your proposal. If you would like more people to observe -- to make sure that no one is cheating -- that's okay too.
I am very sure that the JREF will not waive the media requirement. That is, they will not drop this rule for you. I don't speak for the JREF, so Pantaz is right: you will need to write challenge@randi.org.
Remember: you will also need a signed, written, and notarized statement from an academic person (a professor or a doctor, for example) stating that they have observed you and your friend and have no normal explanation for what has happened. I do not think that the JREF will allow you to not do this, either (but again, ask at challenge@randi.org if this is going to be a big problem).
Please let RoboTimbo help with translation (or hire or find a translator). It will make things a lot easier. Most importantly, you must understand all of the rules. This is very, very important. Gzuz is also very experienced with the MDC and can be a big help to you.
I look forward to reading more about your claim!
You can stipulate how many people you need in order to show your abilities. If you need your friend, put that in your proposal. If you would like more people to observe -- to make sure that no one is cheating -- that's okay too.
I am very sure that the JREF will not waive the media requirement. That is, they will not drop this rule for you. I don't speak for the JREF, so Pantaz is right: you will need to write challenge@randi.org.
Remember: you will also need a signed, written, and notarized statement from an academic person (a professor or a doctor, for example) stating that they have observed you and your friend and have no normal explanation for what has happened. I do not think that the JREF will allow you to not do this, either (but again, ask at challenge@randi.org if this is going to be a big problem).
Please let RoboTimbo help with translation (or hire or find a translator). It will make things a lot easier. Most importantly, you must understand all of the rules. This is very, very important. Gzuz is also very experienced with the MDC and can be a big help to you.
I look forward to reading more about your claim!
i explain the unfolding of the experience,i close myself in a room with the number of james randi administration ,he says a sentence to me or he written on a paper, for example( i love america)i will transmit it at jackalgirl or kzuzkryzt which is in another room with a number of james randi administration
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This is actually a good example of a protocol outline. It's simple (which is very good). Eventually, you will need a very detailed protocol (but keep the actual protocol itself as simple as possible).
However, there are some other things you should do before writing the protocol.
The first, and most important, is that you read the rules and understand all of them. It may be helpful to ask someone like RoboTimbo to translate these into French for you.
You cannot start until you have read the rules and are clear about them.
So please read the rules. Ask RT to translate them if you need to. Read the rules first, then come back here and let us know that you have read them all, understand them all, and understand that you have to follow them all.
This includes the rule about the media. Do you understand that you will need to be mentioned in the media, and that you will need a signed, notarized statement from a person with an academic background? (This is also called "the affidavit".)
We really should not go any further until you are clear on the rules.
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bon c'est vrai j'ai besoin d'aide,je suis telepathe et j'ai aussi un autre don celui de pouvoir écouter les gens quand il parle avec la bouche fermée,je fait des recherches mais j'ai rien trouver , j'ai essayer les boules quies ca ne marche pas , je cherche un casque anti bruit qui peut stopper ca,pour l'experience il me faudra surment un partenair,celui qui m'aide ou ceux qui vont m'aider je donnarai la moitié du million
Premièrement, la langue parlèe c'est l'anglais. Ce n'est pas interdit mais très discourtois de parler un autre langue.
First, English is the forum language. It is not forbidden but very impolite to post in a different language.
Je recommends envoyer une PM à RoboTimbo et lui demander de faire une traduction.
I recommend sending a PM (Private Message) to RoboTimbo and ask him to translate.
Because my skills seem limited.
Parce que mes capacités sont limitées.