Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

[dtugg]

Are you stupid Chris? Don't answer that, it was a rhetorical question. Why the hell would there be recordings on some of the videos but not on others?

 

[Christopher7]

Why the hell would there be recordings on some of the videos but not on others?

The only videos with sound are missing the part when Daryl heard a clap of thunder. [start at 1:20]
[FONT=&quot]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4556787288866368337[/FONT]

The clap of thunder was a second or two before the start of the global collapse. Show me a video with sound that has that part.

There are probably other videos with sounds of explosions in the 7,000 the government refuses to let us hear.
Anyone who truly wants to know the truth would want to hear all the audio evidence.

You guys are making a big deal about the lack of sound evidence but you don't want to hear all the evidence. That is a bit hypocritical.


If one is not in denial and only looking for reasons not to believe it was a CD, one can look at the results and determine how it was done.

The columns under the east penthouse and the some of the others were taken out with thermite. That's where the the hot spots were. A and B

The clap of thunder, a shock wave ripping thru the building and all the windows busting out was conventional explosives taking out the remaining core columns.

Everyone was kept back several blocks. A series of small of explosions to do the rest would be taken as part of the collapse.

 

[dtugg]

Have you sent this earth shattering evidence to KSM's lawyers yet or do you prefer whining on the Internet?

 

[alexi_drago]

Wow, a witness described something in the order of 10s or 100s of thousands of tons of material falling as sounding like thunder and described a collapse that started at one point in the building and spreading out as looking like a shockwave travelling along the building or something to that effect.
If you want to pick things out of that statement, why did he have to turn round to see the collapse if he was watching the building on fire? Does that mean it wasn't the building that was on fire that collapsed?

There are probably other videos with sounds of explosions in the 7,000 the government refuses to let us hear.

That is a very revealing statement.

 

[T.A.M.]

Pls, read http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist7.htm to see the correspondence with NIST.

The only thing on that page of bunk even close to what you suggested is a response to a request, made by someone else (not you) for INSTRUCTIONS on how to run the NIST simulation. There is no request there for their calculations.

Try again.

TAM

 

[Heiwa]

The only thing on that page of bunk even close to what you suggested is a response to a request, made by someone else (not you) for INSTRUCTIONS on how to run the NIST simulation. There is no request there for their calculations.

Try again.

TAM

Without instructions NIST staff cannot do the structural damage analysis. NIST staff had never before done a structural damage analysis. To do one they needed instructions. And they had none = they failed to do a correct structural damage analysis.

The most hilarious part of the NIST structural damage analysis is when NIST suggests that a free falling part deforms itself. Evidently not possible.

 

[T.A.M.]

I really do not care. That is not meant to be rude. You made a statement that NIST lost their calculations for the simulations (paraphrase), and yet your evidence does not confirm this. I am waiting for you to provide evidence to prove your statement, or else a retraction of the statement, or statement modification.

TAM

 

[dtugg]

I think NIST should have used sponges and pizza boxes.

 

[alexi_drago]

I think NIST should have used sponges and pizza boxes.

They tried but the sponges didn't come with instructions and the pizza boxes only had 'WARNING Hot Content'

 

[Christopher7]

I think NIST should have used sponges and pizza boxes.

I think they did. They got the sponge to deform in free fall. Incredible!

ETA: alexi ;-)

 

[Christopher7]

Wow, a witness described something in the order of 10s or 100s of thousands of tons of material falling as sounding like thunder and described a collapse that started at one point in the building and spreading out as looking like a shockwave travelling along the building or something to that effect.

Wrong!
A progressive collapse would make a continuous rumble, not a clap of thunder.

He said there was a clap of thunder and a second later the bottom caved out, and the building followed after that. The blast that ripped thru the building was before the global collapse started.
That part is missing from the only 2 videos with sound. Hmmm

 

[dtugg]

Hey Chris, you have proof that WTC7 was a controlled demolition! You want to know how you can make several million dollars? Send your "evidence" to the insurance companies that shelled out nearly a billion for that building. Insurance will give a percentage to a person that can prove a claim was fraudulent. I am sure that they would love to have their money back and I am sure that you would love to have a percentage.

And while you're at it, send your "evidence" to KSM's lawyers. This is your chance to prove to the world that 9/11 was an inside job and free an innocent man. Don't you want to do that?

Do both of the above and you will be rich and famous. Who doesn't want that?

 

[Christopher7]

Hey Chris, you have proof that WTC7 was a controlled demolition!

I knew you would eventually catch on. ;-)

BTW KSM? ICCL

 

[dtugg]

I knew you would eventually catch on. ;-)

Yep! I'm convinced! Are you going to go to the insurance companies to collect the millions or are you going to let me take it?

BTW KSM? ICCL

What the hell is this supposed to mean?

 

[alexi_drago]

Wrong!
A progressive collapse would make a continuous rumble, not a clap of thunder.

He said there was a clap of thunder and a second later the bottom caved out, and the building followed after that. The blast that ripped thru the building was before the global collapse started.
That part is missing from the only 2 videos with sound. Hmmm

The computer model has all 3 columns failing in 1 second. Columns cannot fail that fast. They would have to be ripped loose from the girders on the other side and break at 3 splice joints.

So you're saying that it would take some time for the collapse that starts within to reach the outer walls of the building and be visible from outside?

 

[alexi_drago]

Wrong!
A progressive collapse would make a continuous rumble, not a clap of thunder.

A sound that sounded like a clap of thunder! he doesn't say whether or not that sound abated after he turned round. Also thunder can sound many different ways depending on distance and topography and can be a continuous rumble and many other sounds can be said to sound like thunder and some people will even say something sounded like thunder when it didn't really, it was just a big noise.

 

[lapman]

The clap of thunder was a second or two before the start of the global collapse. Show me a video with sound that has that part.

You mean when the east penthouse collapsed into the building?

There are probably other videos with sounds of explosions in the 7,000 the government refuses to let us hear.

What a ridiculous copout. The sound of explosives would be on 100% of all videos shot withing a couple of miles of the WTC. If all 7000 videos were released and had no sound of explosives, you would then claim that they were altered to remove the sound. So, what we have are the dozens of raw video footage that is available on the net. There isn't a single one that has the sound of explosives. So it would be extremely safe to say that non of the 7000 would as well.

Anyone who truly wants to know the truth would want to hear all the audio evidence.

False. That would only be true if there was a question about the validity of the available evidence. Since no twoofer has been able to do this, the available evidence is more than sufficient.

You guys are making a big deal about the lack of sound evidence but you don't want to hear all the evidence. That is a bit hypocritical.

Only to a desperate person that has run out of options, such as yourself.

If one is not in denial and only looking for reasons not to believe it was a CD, one can look at the results and determine how it was done.

If one is in denial and only wants to believe it was a CD, one can ignore all evidence and make up a way it was done.

The columns under the east penthouse and the some of the others were taken out with thermite. That's where the the hot spots were. A and B

Then you should have no problem presenting evidence that this is a normal occurrence with termite.

The clap of thunder, a shock wave ripping thru the building and all the windows busting out was conventional explosives taking out the remaining core columns.

100% of the videos do not support this. Only a few window "bust out" just as the building starts to collapse. The first series of breakage follows the east penthouse as it collapses into the building.

Everyone was kept back several blocks. A series of small of explosions to do the rest would be taken as part of the collapse.

Yet in 100% of all other CD videos done before or since 9/11, the sound of the explosives are distinct, even from many blocks or even a couple of miles away.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Christopher... I heard an explosion in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nstyVz0fyD0

Can I safely assume that the construction crane was brought down by explosives?

 

[Gravy]

Christopher... I heard an explosion in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nstyVz0fyD0

Can I safely assume that the construction crane was brought down by explosives?

A witness to the crane accident said, "It was like two bombs going off. It was like two explosions." ( tinyurl.com3yvk3b )

There were similar descriptions of a crane failure in New York City last year. Heavy steel fails and makes loud noises. How shocking. How difficult to comprehend.

 

[johnny karate]

There are probably other videos with sounds of explosions in the 7,000 the government refuses to let us hear.
Anyone who truly wants to know the truth would want to hear all the audio evidence.

You guys are making a big deal about the lack of sound evidence but you don't want to hear all the evidence. That is a bit hypocritical.

Then there's the small matter of absolutely none of the witnesses saying it was a controlled demolition, like for instance the FDNY.

Oh, wait...

How explicit do they have to get before you will admit that they are, at very least, "suggesting" the collapse was indicative of a controlled demolition?

Seriously,if a NY firefighter came right out and [/COLOR]said it was a CD, what would happen to him? Would he get Dixie Chicked? You betcha! You, and a lot of notable TV personalities would be calling him a loon or worse.

I'd forgotten that in your virulent and irrational hatred for the FDNY, you've accused them of being cowards too afraid to risk "public ridicule" to seek justice for the 343 of their own who died on 9/11.

My mistake.

Carry on with your nonsensical rantings.