Gaza villages Wiped off the map

[BPSCG]

It should be Israels concern because Hamas success also reflects Israel's impotence to achieve peace and to improve the economic situation in Gaza. In other words, Israel unintentionally [I assume] helped to push Hamas in the first place.

But improving Gaza's economy might not be Israel's concern anyway given the situation before Hamas took control.

From the very beginning after the elections, Israel and the "Quarted on the middle east" imposed economic sanctions against Gaza, thus pretty much furthering radicalization of the newly elected Government due to not accepting it and punishing the Palestinians in Gaza at the same time.

There might have been a chance to moderate Hamas by starting diplomatic relations after the elections to improve the situation.

But again, it might not be Israel's concern anyway since a weak Gaza is a welcome situation to keep things under control. And what Democracy cares about elected Governments anyway if they don't kiss Israel's ass?

Also: Hamas rockets pose no real threat to Israel's national security - in strong contrast to Israel's lame duck policy towards peace due to a weak political will and the luxury of foreign military aid helping to literally dictate Israel's own will onto those who disagree in their neighborhood.

To whine about Hamas and it's "mind-boggling threat to Israel", is a pretty pathetic claim for a superpower in the Middle-East.

Gee, you make it sound like it's all so terribly complicated.

When really, if Hamas would simply say, "We recognize Israel's right to live in peace, will stop all attacks from Gaza, and are now ready to sign a peace treaty with Israel," they would discover all the complexities - the economic sanctions, the blockades, the border lockdowns, the bombings, everything - would vanish overnight.

Hamas prefers war with Israel, and wants the world to complain when Israel obliges them.

 

[Oliver]

The only people whining in this thread are you and TFT.

Waaah, waaah, waaah! Israel is defending itself! Waaaah! Waaaah! Waaah!

And no, Israel wasn't defending itself. Kadima was aiming at votes, not Hamas.

 

[Oliver]

Gee, you make it sound like it's all so terribly complicated.

When really, if Hamas would simply say, "We recognize Israel's right to live in peace, will stop all attacks from Gaza, and are now ready to sign a peace treaty with Israel," they would discover all the complexities - the economic sanctions, the blockades, the border lockdowns, the bombings, everything - would vanish overnight.

Hamas prefers war with Israel, and wants the world to complain when Israel obliges them.

Well, that's what diplomacy is all about. Israel's actions after the election of Hamas, on the other hand, was the opposite.

You remember that Fatah initially was a radical Guerilla organization as well, don't you?

Also, why didn't the economic sanctions, the blockades, the border lockdowns vanish before Hamas gained from those circumstances to come into power?

 

[dudalb]

Damn. those Jews. Why don't they just sit back and let themselves be killed like Good Little Jews?

 

[Oliver]

Damn. those Jews. Why don't they just sit back and let themselves be killed like Good Little Jews?

Ehm, this works as an argument for Hamas as well, genius.

"Damn. those Palestinians. Why don't they just sit back and let themselves be robbed, starved, fired, kicked around and killed like Good Little Palestinians?"

See?

 

[skeptsci]

All this analogy between HAMAS and Israel is is really strange

Ehm, this works as an argument for Hamas as well, genius.

"Damn. those Palestinians. Why don't they just sit back and let themselves be robbed, starved, fired, kicked around and killed like Good Little Palestinians?"

See?

Oliver,
All this analogy between HAMAS and Israel is is really strange. You seem to ignore the fact that there are fundamentalist Muslim terror organizations such as El-Qaida, World Jihad, HAMAS (according to the international community)? Why did 9/11 happened? For the same reason that HAMAS, backed by Iran is trying to harass Israel civilian population. With a overt dream to destroy it. There it starts and is followed by Israeli blockade (trying to control some of the explosives and arms from streaming into Gaza). Why are the borders between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and Syria 100% quiet?!

 

[Oliver]

Oliver,
All this analogy between HAMAS and Israel is is really strange. You seem to ignore the fact that there are fundamentalist Muslim terror organizations such as El-Qaida, World Jihad, HAMAS (according to the international community)? Why did 9/11 happened? For the same reason that HAMAS, backed by Iran is trying to harass Israel civilian population. With a overt dream to destroy it. There it starts and is followed by Israeli blockade (trying to control some of the explosives and arms from streaming into Gaza). Why are the borders between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and Syria 100% quiet?!

Last time I checked, Osama said that one reason for 9/11 was the injustice in Palestine due to Israeli-American politics. Ouch.

Sure, there are a lot of crazy religious nuts - same is true concerning the Promised Land Nuts among Israel's secular population.

And yes, Iran is trying to get a strategic advantage by supporting Palestinians: Expanding their relations to the Non-Shī‘ah, Arab world.

But all in all it comes down to land-ownership when we're talking about Israel/Palestine. That's how it started when Israel took the majority of Land over night due to the declaration of Independence [Nakba] - and that's basically what the fuss is all about. Religion is a secondary issue here.

Concerning the borders: They are quiet for now - but for how long, is another question.

 

[gumboot]

Last time I checked, Osama said that one reason for 9/11 was the injustice in Palestine due to Israeli-American politics. Ouch.

There was only one reason for 9/11 and that's not it. Stop buying into their propaganda Oliver. You're smarter than that.

 

[Doctor Evil]

There was only one reason for 9/11 and that's not it. Stop buying into their propaganda Oliver. You're smarter than that.

Evidence?





PS Sorry, but I could not resist the temptation. I still remember the Caucasian thread.

 

[dudalb]

Evidence?





PS Sorry, but I could not resist the temptation. I still remember the Caucasian thread.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

The only people whining in this thread are you and TFT.

Waaah, waaah, waaah! Israel is defending itself! Waaaah! Waaaah! Waaah!

Really? Previous to this post I've only said two words in this thread. Which are in the OP ..."happy Now?"

But lies, fabrications and propaganda is the typical well worn tool of the Zionist Apologists.

Maybe you should tell people about your racist views Wildcat ...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4328852&postcount=38


Your agenda is obvious.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Damn. those Jews. Why don't they just sit back and let themselves be killed like Good Little Jews?

Damn. those Palestinians. Why don't they just sit back and let themselves be persecuted, slaughtered and eventually ousted from Palestine like Good Little Palestinians?

 

[Oliver]

There was only one reason for 9/11 and that's not it.

Well? What was the one reason?

 

[Pardalis]

Last time I checked, Osama said that one reason for 9/11 was the injustice in Palestine due to Israeli-American politics. Ouch.

There was only one reason for 9/11 and that's not it. Stop buying into their propaganda Oliver. You're smarter than that.

Noticed he calls him by his first name now? They're like buddies.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Well, heck, if it's on You Tube it must be correct!!!!!!!

I don't know if this is correct or not, but Youtube is not the ultimate source. Youtube is just a platform.
If I'm not mistaken, it's a Channel 4 coverage (at least the journalist, Jonathan Miller, is working for C4 - peple from the UK will probably know more...)

Edited for typos

People like fuelair will argue against a video of the world being spherical if their political agenda demanded it was cubic.

And yes it's a British TV Station report.

But yes fuelair it could be a fabrication. Computer generated animations are so advanced these days you can't tell them from the real thing.

Funny how none of these Zionists make the same sarcastic comments about the IDFs videos on Youtube.

The IDF even used a video clip from a skirmish which happened a year earlier and was nothing to do with the recent Gaza slaughter. bBut heir reputation is unblemished isn't it.

How satisfying it must be to be so unquestioning and so adoring of such a group.

 

[Oliver]

Noticed he calls him by his first name now? They're like buddies.

Yes, and that's why I always call you Goury: Me, you and Osama are one big family.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Noticed he calls him by his first name now? They're like buddies.

If there's no other argument I must say Pardalis your contributions to the debates certainty cater for the more, shall we say, intellectually relaxed sector. But keep it up. There's a market for it you know. That's why Oprah does so well.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Well? What was the one reason?

Yeah come on gumboot. Tell us what this sole reason was? This should be interesting.

 

[Pardalis]

If there's no other argument I must say Pardalis your contributions to the debates certainty cater for the more, shall we say, intellectually relaxed sector. But keep it up. There's a market for it you know. That's why Oprah does so well.

Care to answer my question now?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4403771&postcount=104

Don't leave me hangin.

 

[gumboot]

Well? What was the one reason?

To entice the USA into a costly counter-insurgency war in Afghanistan that would ultimately destroy the west and lead to a new Global Caliphate.