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Hamas crimes against humanity

How many Palestinians have been murdered by Israel?

Should we also end their reign of terror?

I'm sure you'll agree. After all terror is terror isn't it?
 
TFT- are you capable at ALL of condemning Hamas' inhumane actions against both Israel and their fellow Arabs?
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
How many Palestinians have been murdered by Israel?

Should we also end their reign of terror?

I'm sure you'll agree. After all terror is terror isn't it?
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Tu quoque much? Besides, the equivalent thing would be if the Israeli government were murdering Israelis.

Their reign of terror must be ended for the welfare of ALL.
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So, should there be new elections? What if Hamas wins again?
What if the people really support Hamas?

What I think we need is a way for the Palestinians who want to leave and start a new life somewhere else to be allowed to leave. Let there be a ceasefire for a year while the UN gives people free transport to the destination of their choice. (The same could be done for the Jews too, just to be fair). Then let the ones who remain fight to the death and to the winner goes the spoils.
 
Well, if the Palestinians in Gaza kip voting for HAMAS then it means they want their terror regime to continue including the war they conduct against Israeli civilians. They should bear the consequences of their free (?) choice. TFT you're are not making sense, every fighting nation should be "ended" because it kills its attackers? What about the US, France and UK against Germany? Should Israel take the blame only for being much stronger and advanced than her enemies?
 
Puppycow said:
Tu quoque much? Besides, the equivalent thing would be if the Israeli government were murdering Israelis.


So, should there be new elections? What if Hamas wins again?
What if the people really support Hamas?

What I think we need is a way for the Palestinians who want to leave and start a new life somewhere else to be allowed to leave. Let there be a ceasefire for a year while the UN gives people free transport to the destination of their choice. (The same could be done for the Jews too, just to be fair). Then let the ones who remain fight to the death and to the winner goes the spoils.
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I think Hamas should be treated like the terrorist organization that it is. No meaningful peace or ceasefire can be reached with them. I think Israel should destroy Hamas to the point where it no longer functions as governing body of Gaza and new leadership can function.
If I understand your point, I think that peace will not likely happen until their is a decisive victor and loser, whomever that will be.
 
portlandatheist said:
According to Wikipedia, over 50 Palestinians have been killed by Hamas in reprisal attacks against suspected collaborators and others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2009_attacks_in_Gaza
According to Fatah, 181 Palestinians have been ruthlessly murdered or maimed by Hamas:
http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=35455
Their reign of terror must be ended for the welfare of ALL.
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Hmm...from your second link:
Ha'aretz, an Israeli newspaper, reported on January 30 that a number of Palestinian spies working in Gaza for Israel had been "intercepted" by Hamas. The information these agents fed to the Israeli military was said to have been used "carelessly", and this may have led to their exposure and subsequent assassinations or executions.[5]
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Is it a war crime to execute spies in the heat of battle?

ETA: or is it your complaint that these were extrajudicial killings? If so, do you similarly condemn Israel's extrajudicial killings of suspected Hamas activists?
 
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gdnp said:
Hmm...from your second link:


Is it a war crime to execute spies in the heat of battle?

ETA: or is it your complaint that these were extrajudicial killings? If so, do you similarly condemn Israel's extrajudicial killings of suspected Hamas activists?
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There is no doubt that some of the people killed were guilty of collaborating with Israel. You are exactly right, my complaint is that the killings were extrajudicial. Could you give an example of Israel's extrajudicial killings of Hamas activists?
 
Said Siyam
Saleh Abu Sharkh
Mahmoud Abu Watfah
Sheikh Ahmed Yassin
Abdel-Aziz Rantissi
Nizar Rayyan
Tawfik Jaber
Abbedalla Qawasameh
Yahya Ayyash
Salah Shehade
Adnan al-Ghoul

That's a start.
 
gdnp said:
Said Siyam
Saleh Abu Sharkh
Mahmoud Abu Watfah
Sheikh Ahmed Yassin
Abdel-Aziz Rantissi
Nizar Rayyan
Tawfik Jaber
Abbedalla Qawasameh
Yahya Ayyash
Salah Shehade
Adnan al-Ghoul

That's a start.
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Gdnp, with all due respect, you are comparing apples to oranges here. Are there any Israeli citizens, extrajudicially killed by Israelis, because they were suspected of being Hamas collaborators? The list you provided are Palestinians killed during war, is that correct?
 
portlandatheist said:
Gdnp, with all due respect, you are comparing apples to oranges here. Are there any Israeli citizens, extrajudicially killed by Israelis, because they were suspected of being Hamas collaborators? The list you provided are Palestinians killed during war, is that correct?
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These are all Hamas political and "military" leaders killed by Israel through extrajudicial means. Some had bombs dropped on them during the current incursion. Others were assassinated through other means. All extrajudicial: I have left out Hamas members killed "resisting arrest".

I do not know of any Hamas collaborators arrested by Israel. I don't see why this matters. You claimed that your problem with Hamas killing alleged collaborators was that this was extrajudical killing. I am pointing out that Israel has had a program of extrajudicial killing of Hamas leaders for years. If Hamas's extrajudicial killings are, as you claim, crimes against humanity, why are Israel's not?
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
How many Palestinians have been murdered by Israel?

Should we also end their reign of terror?

I'm sure you'll agree. After all terror is terror isn't it?
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In what court of law has the entire nation of Israel been found guilty of murder? Will Gaza's "criminal justice system" indict Hamas for murder and assorted war crimes committed against Arabs and Jews?
 
Marc39 said:
In what court of law has the entire nation of Israel been found guilty of murder? Will Gaza's "criminal justice system" indict Hamas for murder and assorted war crimes committed against Arabs and Jews?
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Hamas cannot be guilty of crimes against humanity with its attacks against Israel. This is because Jews are not human beings.
 
Marc39 said:
In what court of law has the entire nation of Israel been found guilty of murder? Will Gaza's "criminal justice system" indict Hamas for murder and assorted war crimes committed against Arabs and Jews?
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Oh dear you're even chasing up old threads with the only result of making yourself look even more foolish by pedantically wasting time over accepted nomenclature.

Next you'll be telling us that America didn't invade Iraq because 99.93% of Americans were not involved.

Where's that laughing Dog emoticon :) :)
 
The IDF has committed war crimes in Gaza. During the 1948, 1952, 1967, and 1973 wars they committed many many war crimes, ethnic cleansing, and other travesties of justice and Judaism.

I'm sure you have heard of Deir Yassin. Or do you think that was an Islamic hoax?
 
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