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Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

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I've never called a firefighter a liar.

Of course not. You don't have the stones or the intellectual honesty to make such a direct accusation. But your contempt for the FDNY is a matter of record. You've made arguments that imply the firefighters at WTC7 are too stupid to recognize a controlled demolition, or too cowardly to admit they did.
 
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I'd like an answer to this, as well.

Red will never answer the question because he is Red. Any answer that he gives will make him look bad. Either:

(A) Nigro is not a liar and WTC7 came down on its own.
(B) Nigro is not a liar, but WTC7 was still a CD. This means that he is extremely incompetent as he was somehow convinced by some unknown person(s) that WTC7 would come down on its own even though that couldn't have happened. Then a super secret controlled demo was prepped and executed on his watch without him noticing.
(C) Nigro is a liar and is in on the cover up.
 
Of course it's true, as anyone can see for themselves there is no quote in your post.

And again you have to play semantic games.

daniel nigro said:
It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people.

Is this statement a lie?

Have you claimed in the past the fires in WTC7 were not large? That there were no discernible infernos?
 
[FONT=&quot]Answers to Frequently Asked Questions (August 30, 2006)[/FONT]
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs,

tell us who is stopping anyone from having them.
As if you didn't know

Why are the clips we do have, absent these huge explosions?
You keep trying to dodge the question and change the subject by asking questions but you don't answer mine.

How did 700 bone fragments land on top of 130 Liberty St. if not by explosions?
 
Chris7:
NIST or the Government is not with-holding these tapes from anyone. They are not theirs to release. I know of one tape they viewed (made by a friend of mine) that they gave back. So you need to hunt down all the people that made the tapes (and photos) and ask them (like NIST did).
 
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How did 700 bone fragments land on top of 130 Liberty St. if not by explosions?

You keep asking this. The answer is you don't know. Neither do we. You are claiming that explosions are the ONLY way it could have happened. We disagree. The initial plane crash, with its HUGE explosion and great force could have done it. Who knows?

Your problem is you claim the bone fragments prove an explosion, so you don't need any actual evidence of an explosion. We claim that there is no evidence of an explosion after the plane impact that would be capable of blasting those fragments where they were found, so there must be another explanation.

You are on no better footing than anybody else, yet you appear to consider your position the only logical one. I find that odd.
 
[FONT=&quot]Answers to Frequently Asked Questions (August 30, 2006)[/FONT]
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs,

As if you didn't know

Who is saying all these video clips are ones which have not been seen elsewhere?

If any of those video clips had these huge explosions on them then someone would have noticed?

If any clips belonged to individuals they would have the rights to them and would not have to give them to anyone.

Who is stopping you getting these clips? Proof please?

That link is from 2006, this is 2009. What have you done about getting those clips?

C7 said:
You keep trying to dodge the question and change the subject by asking questions but you don't answer mine.

I am not dodging anything.

C7 said:
How did 700 bone fragments land on top of 130 Liberty St. if not by explosions?

From the impact of the plane, the deflagaration of the fuel and the collapse of the building. Certainly not from your fantasy silent explosives.
 
Perhaps the explosion of the plane hitting sent them flying over. Maybe the wind blew them around. Maybe it was from UA175. I don't know
That's right, you don't know.

and I don't particularly care.
Then why are you so fanatically denying that the explosions eyewitnesses heard are what caused 700 bone fragments to land on top of a 560 foot building 250 feet away?
You are ready to believe anything but the obvious.

Any one of those is infinitely more likely than your magical explosives which make no sounds.
You are denying the numerous eyewitness accounts of explosions and ignoring the 7,000 video clips you haven't heard.
This tired argument is constantly used to deny any evidence you can't refute.

Also, it would have been heard by everybody within miles. I was there, right across the Hudson. I watched the South Tower collapse. There were no bangs going off before it happened. Period.
Again you are calling all the first responders and the eyewitnesses who reported explosions liars.

Perhaps you missed this:
There are over 1,000 different types of explosives. . . . . . We control noise levels. [start at 5:28]
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We claim that there is no evidence of an explosion after the plane impact that would be capable of blasting those fragments where they were found
You are ignoring the numerous eyewitnesses who heard explosions. This is denial.
 
Get this through your head, genius. Explosions do not equal explosives. Things explode in fires and many people used similes to describe what they saw. You do know what a simile is, correct?

If there were explosives, it would have been unmistakable, extremely loud, and be present on all the videos. Your pathetic attempt of trying to make a point by saying that we haven't seen all of the videos is moot.

"Controlling noise levels" doesn't mean making them silent like your fantasy requires. It just means that it doesn't blow out people's eardrums. Loud bangs are a necessity of explosives. That is how they destroy things. Have you ever seen an actual controlled demo? Very loud and unmistakable are the bangs.

There were no extremely loud bangs immediately preceding the collapses. Period. You lost. I know it really sucks that everybody thinks that you are nuts. Perhaps you should see a doctor. There are probably medications that can help cure your delusions.
 
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You are ignoring the numerous eyewitnesses who heard explosions. This is denial.

You are ignoring the fact that no one described hearing, nor did any audio recording device in the vicinity pick up, the very loud and very distinctive sequence of detonations that immediately precede all controlled demolitions. This is denial.
 
You too are ignoring the numerous eyewitness accounts of explosions. You too are in denial.

No, I am not. You are lying again.

Please provide just one video of these huge explosions from the towers from that day? Or any audio? There are literally hundred of hours of it all over the web. Surely after 7 years you can bring one?

How about you also bring one of those firefighters who says it was a CD?

How about you bring anything except speculation?

How about this?

Is this evidence of a CD?

Jan 7: The forecast is for another 28 mm of freezing rain! I don't see how the trees can take any more, never mind the roof. (Later it appears we actually got 38 mm!) Again we lost power just as we were finished cooking supper. Again, we lit the fire and candles as the drizzle continued. That night was constant explosions that was hard to sleep through. Each explosion was a large branch or tree coming down. It reminded me of movies of those whistling bombs in London during the war, with people waiting for them to hit.
 
Explosions do not equal explosives. Things explode in fires and many people used similes to describe what they saw.
These people are NOT using similes, they are talking about explosions.

9/11 Firefighters: Bombs and
Explosions in the WTC
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[Firefighter Louie] Cacchioli was called to testify privately [before the 9/11 Commission], but walked out on several members of the committee before they finished, feeling like he was being interrogated and cross-examined rather than simply allowed to tell the truth about what occurred in the north tower on 9/11. "My story was never mentioned in the final report [PDF download] and I felt like I was being put on trial in a court room," said Cacchioli. "I finally walked out. They were trying to twist my words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear. All I wanted to do was tell the truth and when they wouldn't let me do that, I walked out. ... It was a disgrace to everyone, the victims and the family members who lost loved ones. I don't agree with the 9/11 Commission. The whole experience was terrible." [Arctic Beacon]
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Edmund McNally phoned his wife Liz twice following the [WTC 2] aircraft impact. Mr McNally said in his second phone call "Liz, this was a terrorist attack. I can hear explosions below me.'' [NY Times]
Tom Elliott, WTC 2 survivor: They saw only two firemen going up. They told them there had been an explosion near the 60th floor. [csmonitor]
Kim White, WTC 1 survivor: "We got down as far as the 74th floor ... Then there was another explosion, so we left again by the stairwell." [People]
Explosions occurred below the aircraft impact levels in both towers prior to the collapses. The following gives a reason for the explosions:
Smoke from floor 74?

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9/11 NBC News broadcast
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"Shortly after 9 o'clock ... [Albert Turi the Chief of Safety for the New York Fire Department] received word of the possibility of a secondary device, that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said there was another explosion which took place, and then an hour after the first hit - the first crash that took place - he said there was another explosion that took place in one of the towers here, so obviously according to his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building.
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Two WTC impacts. Three explosions reported.​

One of the secondary devices he thinks that took place after the initial impact he thinks may have been on the plane that crashed into one of the towers. The second device - he thinks, he speculates - was probably planted in the building. ... But the bottom line is that he, Albert Turi, said that he probably lost a great many men in those secondary explosions, and he said that there were literally hundreds, if not thousands, of people in those towers when the explosions took place."
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"...then somebody said that they saw an airliner go into one of those towers. Then, an hour later than that we had that big explosion from much, much lower down and I don't know what caused that."
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Lou Cacchioli, Firefighter in WTC 1: At that point, Cacchioli found one of the only functioning elevators, one only going as high as the 24th floor ... "Tommy Hetzel was with me and everybody else also gets out of the elevator when it stops on the 24th floor," said Cacchioli, "There was a huge amount of smoke. Tommy and I had to go back down the elevator for tools and no sooner did the elevators close behind us, we heard this huge explosion that sounded like a bomb. It was such a loud noise, it knocked off the lights and stalled the elevator.

"Luckily, we weren't caught between floors and were able to pry open the doors. People were going crazy, yelling and screaming. And all the time, I am crawling low and making my way in the dark with a flashlight to the staircase and thinking Tommy is right behind me. "I somehow got into the stairwell and there were more people there. When I began to try and direct down, another huge explosion like the first one hits. This one hits about two minutes later, although it's hard to tell, but I'm thinking, 'Oh. My God, these bastards put bombs in here like they did in 1993!' [Arctic Beacon]
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"There's a bomb in the building - start clearing out"..."We got a secondary device in the building"
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"I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions." [Craig Carlsen -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)]
WMV video download detailing explosions (2.8 MB)
A point to note about the above video is the sounds of the explosions consist of low frequencies only.
The absence of high frequencies indicates the sounds were not transmitted through the air to the camera's microphone but through the ground - they reached the microphone via the tripod.
This in turn indicates that the explosions occurred at or below ground level (note where the smoke originates in the video).
How could an aircraft impact at floors 78+ of WTC 2 cause numerous large explosions at the base of the building?
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Smoke at the base of WTC 2​


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Firefighters shocked by a loud explosion.

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"At 10:30 I tried to leave the building, but as I got outside I heard a second explosion ... And then a fire marshal came in and said we had to leave, because if there was a third explosion this building might not last."
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"We were trying to get some of the people out, but then there was secondary explosions and then subsequent collapses."
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"As we were getting our gear on and making our way to the stairway, there was a heavy duty explosion."
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"We really never even got that close to the building. The explosion blew and it knocked everybody over"
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"At that point, a debate began to rage because. . . many people had felt that possibly explosives had taken out 2 World Trade, and officers were gathering companies together and the officers were debating whether or not to go immediately back in or to see what was going to happen with 1 World Trade at that point. The debate ended pretty quickly because 1 World Trade came down." [Christopher Fenyo - Firefighter]
"I said, ‘Chief, they're evacuating the other building; right?’ He said, ‘No.’ . . . I said, ‘Why not? They blew up the other one.’ I thought they blew it up with a bomb. I said, ‘If they blew up the one, you know they're gonna blow up the other one.’ He said, ‘No, they're not.’ I said, ‘Well, you gotta tell them to evacuate it, because it's gonna fall down and you gotta get the guys out.’ He said, ‘I'm just the Battalion Chief. I can't order that.’ . . . I said, ‘You got a ****ing radio and you got a ****ing mouth. Use the ****ing things. Empty this ****ing building.’ Again he said, ‘I'm just a Battalion Chief. I can't do that.’ . . . Eventually this other chief came back and said, ‘They are evacuating this tower.’ . . . And sometime after that . . . I watched the north tower fall." [William Reynolds - Firefighter]
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[Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr.] explained to me that, “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as the Fire Department’s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. “There were definitely bombs in those buildings,” he told me. [Prison Planet]
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"Tower two has had major explosion and what appears to be a complete collapse" ... "...those involved in the secondary explosion at tower 1, 'kay, I've got five patients..." ... "We have got numerous people covered in dust from the secondary explosion..." ... "We've got another explosion at the tower..."
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Chris7 says it was both thermite and explosives. I wonder what the hell the point of that would be. All it would do is needlessly complicate the plot and provide more evidence. The whole point of using thermite would be, I assume to make sure there is no noise. But they used explosives anyway, so what the hell is the point? Did they just decide to use a crapload of thermite just for the hell of it? What is the rational of doing that and thus leaving behind proof that it was thermite (well, I know there is no proof of thermite, but in Chris7 world there is) and that 9/11 was an inside job?
 
Chris7 says it was both thermite and explosives. I wonder what the hell the point of that would be.
You can't figure out why they would use thermite and explosives so therefore it didn't happen. Do you realize how vacant that argument is?
 
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