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alien life possibility is pathetic

makaya325 said:
Belief is faith in something without evidence. Sasquatch and aliens arent a belief, they both have forms of evidence, the question is: is any of it good. Thats why i first posted here as a believer, then got frusterated, and turned into a skeptic, because i cant stand being a believer in something thats not gonna be found sooner
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That's a pretty sloppy and uninformative answer.
 
Seriously, Makaya. You said you were tired. You should probably go to sleep and rest up. This forum will be here when you get back. Maybe you can also ponder on whether you want to become more honest with us or not while you do. Sleep on it. :)
 
makaya325 said:
Idk and IDK. Im TIRED.
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Well, now, that's not entirely fair. You asked for us to post questions. I did, one that I had asked a couple times before. I think I've been polite and patient.

I don't mind waiting until you've rested. Once you have, would you please indicate whether that star is capable of having a system that supports life?

Thanks.
 
makaya325 said:
Belief is faith in something without evidence. Sasquatch and aliens arent a belief, they both have forms of evidence, the question is: is any of it good. Thats why i first posted here as a believer, then got frusterated, and turned into a skeptic, because i cant stand being a believer in something thats not gonna be found sooner
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And so what does belief have to do with forming how likely there are forms of alien life with observation?

Before I go any further, do you know of Drake's equation? As big as this thread is, I'd be very surprised and disappointed if nobody brought it up.
 
Mitchell314 said:
Before I go any further, do you know of Drake's equation? As big as this thread is, I'd be very surprised and disappointed if nobody brought it up.
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I have intentionally avoided it. It's really a sloppy piece of work that just multiplies probablities based off assumptions. Granted, even given the lowest probabilities, and multiplied out, the number is pretty big just for the Milky Way.

Although, makaya has shown a repeated innability to deal with large numbers, so it wouldn't make an impact on him anyway.
 
I don't think it's job is to get an answer so much as to give an idea of how hugishly big our galaxy is and how likely aliens with radio equipment are in our galaxy. If you get an answer of 20 or 20,000, the big picture is that the chances are quite substantial.
Now, if you're looking for non-intelligent life, even the very conservative estimates show that it would be a miracle if there was no other life in this galaxy. Let alone the universe.
 
Mitchell314 said:
And so what does belief have to do with forming how likely there are forms of alien life with observation?

Before I go any further, do you know of Drake's equation? As big as this thread is, I'd be very surprised and disappointed if nobody brought it up.
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LarianLeQuella said:
I have intentionally avoided it. It's really a sloppy piece of work that just multiplies probablities based off assumptions. Granted, even given the lowest probabilities, and multiplied out, the number is pretty big just for the Milky Way.

Although, makaya has shown a repeated innability to deal with large numbers, so it wouldn't make an impact on him anyway.
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It has been mentioned several times, and Makaya even calls it woo, which is ironic, since Ward and Brownlee use a modified form of Drake's equation as the heart of their Rare Earth theory!

But that's the whole point that Makaya keeps missing. Any attempt to estimate the probability of advanced alien life is an exercise in guesswork. We just know far too little about the real requirements. We have precisely one data point to work with, which makes the entire subject one huge error bar. In fact, there is only one thing we can say with certainty.

It is possible for an advanced technological civilization to evolve in this Universe.

So, my challenge to Makaya is simple. Falsify that statement, if you can.
 
William Parcher said:
I don't even want to hear his answer. He is totally burned in every way. You cannot expect honesty anymore. He's screwed himself in every thread and every forum. If he says he loves strawberry ice cream - I won't believe it.

He has a fabricated persona. You can do this on the internet. There is no way he can act this way in real life. He would have been beaten to death or in jail by now. Imagine him getting pulled over for speeding.

Cop: You were speeding. I need to see your license.
Mak: I wasn't driving.
Cop: Don't get smart with me. You are the only one in the car.
Mak: Why are you bothering me like this?
Cop: Cut it out or I'll arrest you. You were going 70 in a 30 zone.
Mak: That's impossible. This car won't even go 30.
Cop: Have you been drinking?
Mak: Why won't you answer my question?
Cop: Get out of the car and put your hands behind your head.
Mak: Why won't you answer why you are bothering me?
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Reminds me of our old friend "Jerome Da Gnome", any relation there makaya325?
 
wollery said:
It has been mentioned several times, and Makaya even calls it woo, which is ironic, since Ward and Brownlee use a modified form of Drake's equation as the heart of their Rare Earth theory!

But that's the whole point that Makaya keeps missing. Any attempt to estimate the probability of advanced alien life is an exercise in guesswork. We just know far too little about the real requirements. We have precisely one data point to work with, which makes the entire subject one huge error bar. In fact, there is only one thing we can say with certainty.

It is possible for an advanced technological civilization to evolve in this Universe.

So, my challenge to Makaya is simple. Falsify that statement, if you can.
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I cant. I also cant prove fairies, gnomes, bigfoot, nessie dont exist! Alien life should be lumped with all of those loony bins
 
makaya325 said:
I cant. I also cant prove fairies, gnomes, bigfoot, nessie dont exist! Alien life should be lumped with all of those loony bins
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:rolleyes:

So, to be absolutely clear, and I want you to answer this question as "yes" or "no":

Does positing the possibility of alien life mean that one is crazy?

Or even:

Does positing the possibility of alien life mean that one is necessarily wrong?
 
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makaya325 said:
Not really. What about south america? Russia? Antartica? Greenland?
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But we've explored 100% of the oceans, right? :D

Russia, Greenland, and Antarctica, as far as I know, are pretty well-explored. South America is decently explored as well, although there's some barriers.
 
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