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alien life possibility is pathetic

makaya325 said:
Its basically a star nursery.
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No. A nebula is basically a star nursery. A globular cluster is a group of stars graviationally bound to one another.

That's ok, though. Now you know something you didn't know before. You've learned, and that's a good thing.

Given the additional information I have given about that star, could you please tell me whether it is capable of supporting life?

The picture of the star is in post 572, and the extra info is in post 633.

Thanks.
 
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makaya325 said:
Its basically a star nursery.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I don't usually make fun of people for being wrong, but when they act like they know everything, it's hilarious!

If you aren't willing to research or learn the subject, why bother?
 
NobbyNobbs said:
No. A nebula is basically a star nursery. A globular cluster is a group of stars graviationally bound to one another.

That's ok, though. Now you know something you didn't know before. You've learned, and that's a good thing.

Given the additional information I have given about that star, could you please tell me whether it is capable of supporting life?

The picture of the star is in post 572, and the extra info is in post 633.

Thanks.
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re the bolded portion: I seriously doubt that.
 
Hitch said:
re the bolded portion: I seriously doubt that.
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I was a teacher for several years, and I'm optimistic by nature, so I will have to respectfully disagree.

I think we can all agree that remaining ignorant is not a good thing. Therefore learning is a good thing.

Within successive posts, we have one person making fun of Makaya because he is ignorant, and another saying it's not good for him to learn. I think this is sending the wrong message. What example are we setting by doing so? How do we expect people to improve themselves if we put them in a no-win situation like that?
 
NobbyNobbs said:
I was a teacher for several years, and I'm optimistic by nature, so I will have to respectfully disagree.

I think we can all agree that remaining ignorant is not a good thing. Therefore learning is a good thing.

Within successive posts, we have one person making fun of Makaya because he is ignorant, and another saying it's not good for him to learn. I think this is sending the wrong message. What example are we setting by doing so? How do we expect people to improve themselves if we put them in a no-win situation like that?
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I'm not saying it's not good for him to learn, it would be wonderful if he did. But so far he's shown a stubborn refusal to show any signs of reading the information people are providing him. I don't doubt it would be a good thing for him to learn, but rather that he actually will.
 
NobbyNobbs said:
I was a teacher for several years, and I'm optimistic by nature, so I will have to respectfully disagree.

I think we can all agree that remaining ignorant is not a good thing. Therefore learning is a good thing.

Within successive posts, we have one person making fun of Makaya because he is ignorant, and another saying it's not good for him to learn. I think this is sending the wrong message. What example are we setting by doing so? How do we expect people to improve themselves if we put them in a no-win situation like that?
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He claims knowledge. He is challenged on that knowledge. It was polite at first, but it has grown ridiculous. He claims facts that aren't facts, and when challenged, he evades. He also continuously sets up lies, strawmen, changes goalposts, and generally argues incredibly disingenuously -- to the point where it's quite obvious that he's not willing to discuss anything honestly.

If he was just some ignorant kid that didn't know what he was talking about, and showed some sort of willingness to learn, or not lie to cover his tracks, I'd be just fine with your criticism. As it is, I think you mistake Makaya's character, or at least, the character he's demonstrating on this forum.

The only "message" that's really being sent is, if you throw out enough BS and refuse to listen to anyone for long enough, while acting like you're intellectually superior to everyone else, people will start to get tired of it and stop treating you with kid gloves.

So no, I'm not making fun of him because he's ignorant. In fact, in the post I mentioned, I mentioned specifically why I was making fun of him, and it wasn't for his ignorance -- it was for explicit ignorance over a minor detail coupled with extreme arrogance of pretending to know everything in the universe (literally!). Perhaps you should criticize what I actually say, or the real reasons I say what I say, instead of inventing your own?
 
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Lonewulf said:
He claims knowledge. He is challenged on that knowledge. It was polite at first, but it has grown ridiculous. He claims facts that aren't facts, and when challenged, he evades. He also continuously sets up lies, strawmen, changes goalposts, and generally argues incredibly disingenuously -- to the point where it's quite obvious that he's not willing to discuss anything honestly.

If he was just some ignorant kid that didn't know what he was talking about, and showed some sort of willingness to learn, or not lie to cover his tracks, I'd be just fine with your criticism. As it is, I think you mistake Makaya's character, or at least, the character he's demonstrating on this forum.

The only "message" that's really being sent is, if you throw out enough BS and refuse to listen to anyone for long enough, while acting like you're intellectually superior to everyone else, people will start to get tired of it and stop treating you with kid gloves.

So no, I'm not making fun of him because he's ignorant. In fact, in the post I mentioned, I mentioned specifically why I was making fun of him, and it wasn't for his ignorance -- it was for explicit ignorance over a minor detail coupled with extreme arrogance of pretending to know everything in the universe (literally!). Your own criticism already is a bit disingenuous itself.
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Why does modern society lose their skepticism when dealing with intelligent alien life out there? Isnt it likely that earth is the most advanced planet in the known universe, and everything else is slime mold at best? I will accept intelligent life as possible, that is if you can some how debunk wards and browlee's arguements.
 
makaya325 said:
Why does modern society lose their skepticism when dealing with intelligent alien life out there?
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It doesn't. You, however, lose any amount of your own skepticism when you claim absolute knowledge of all galaxies, and all stars in those galaxies, as well as claiming that you know exactly how life forms, and every single limitation that life has and would potentially have, and that carbon is the only possible form of life that could ever evolve.


Sorry, you claim too much absolute knowledge for me to think that you are either God, or just full of speculation you attempt to pass off as fact. Not to mention that the few facts that you do pass off as always wrong, and you never even take the slightest bit of effort to admit it... except when you change the goalposts.


BTW: Skepticism means saying, "Alien life could be out there, could not, we don't know yet". It does not mean saying "It's sure to not be out there". For you to claim that others aren't being skeptical, perhaps you should realize what skepticism even means?

Please think carefully on this.

Isnt it likely that earth is the most advanced planet in the known universe, and everything else is slime mold at best?
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Any answer to this question is still speculation. Sorry.

You also weren't using modifiers such as "likely" before, but were using definitive terms. I guess you're, once more, changing the goalposts?

I will accept intelligent life as possible, that is if you can some how debunk wards and browlee's arguements.
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So far, all I have from their arguments is what you offer, which is nothing at all. You just state that you're sure that there's no life out there and add in, "Ward agrees with me!!111oneone", without supplementing your posts with any actual quotes, studies, or details on Ward's actual claims -- you just claim that he agrees with you, without supporting your claim.

And even then, you expect to me believe that Ward and Browlee's word is absolute truth, and then ignore the word of other experts that disagree with you. And even then, Ward and Browlee, unless you can show evidence of such a thing, do not claim knowledge -- they pose the possibility.

If you can demonstrate any of the above as false in a definitive way, then we might be able to go somewhere.
 
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Lonewulf said:
It doesn't. You, however, lose any amount of your own skepticism when you claim absolute knowledge of all galaxies, and all stars in those galaxies, as well as claiming that you know exactly how life forms, and every single limitation that life has and would potentially have, and that carbon is the only possible form of life that could ever evolve.


Sorry, you claim too much absolute knowledge for me to think that you are either God, or just full of speculation you attempt to pass off as fact. Not to mention that the few facts that you do pass off as always wrong, and you never even take the slightest bit of effort to admit it... except when you change the goalposts.


BTW: Skepticism means saying, "Alien life could be out there, could not, we don't know yet". It does not mean saying "It's sure to not be out there". For you to claim that others aren't being skeptical, perhaps you should realize what skepticism even means?

Any answer to this question is still speculation. Sorry.

You also weren't using modifiers such as "likely" before, but were using definitive terms. I guess you're, once more, changing the goalposts?


So far, all I have from their arguments is what you offer, which is nothing at all. You just state that you're sure that there's no life out there and add in, "Ward agrees with me!!111oneone".

And even then, you expect to me believe that Ward and Browlee's word is absolute truth, and then ignore the word of other experts that disagree with you. And even then, Ward and Browlee, unless you can show evidence of such a thing, do not claim knowledge -- they pose the possibility.

If you can demonstrate any of the above as false in a definitive way, then we might be able to go somewhere.
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I would accept any papers that challenge wards theory.

Alot of debunking is done at the JREF.
 
makaya325 said:
I would accept any papers that challenge wards theory.

Alot of debunking is done at the JREF.
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Okay

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_Earth_theory#Criticism

Done.

Oh, wait, you want papers -- because criticism means nothing unless they fit your ever-declining goal posts...

I'm afraid that I don't have much access to scientific journals, as most of those that I know of require payment of some kind.

Perhaps you could throw up studies and papers of Ward's theories yourself? If you rely on him so much, you should have tons of them, right? Why haven't you given us a single one?
 
Lonewulf said:
Okay

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_Earth_theory#Criticism

Done.

Oh, wait, you want papers -- because criticism means nothing unless they fit your ever-declining goal posts...

I'm afraid that I don't have much access to scientific journals, as most of those that I know of require payment of some kind.

Perhaps you could throw up studies and papers of Ward's theories yourself? If you rely on him so much, you should have tons of them, right? Why
haven't you given us a single one?
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Your in for a treat!

http://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/altvw102.html

http://porpax.bio.miami.edu/~cmallery/255/255life/rareearth.htm
 
I read through your links. I see no definitive claims. Only "This could be true, and we're challenging the mainstream view". As well as calls to do more studies, to verify if what they're saying could be true.

Sorry. None of what I read matches what you've been saying.
 
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Lonewulf said:
I read through your links. I see no definitive claims. Only "This could be true, and we're challenging the mainstream view". As well as calls to do more studies, to verify if what they're saying could be true.

Sorry. None of what I read matches what you've been saying.
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There is no burden for the skeptics of alien life. Until life is proven to be out there, its considered a MYTH
 
makaya325 said:
There isnt though.
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You just said there isn't alien life but you also said that you wouldn't stop believing Bigfoot exists until every inch of North America is searched. Are you messed up? Is this one of the times where you are posting drunk and if so, does your father know?
 
kitakaze said:
You just said there isn't alien life but you also said that you wouldn't stop believing Bigfoot exists until every inch of North America is searched. Are you messed up? Is this one of the times where you are posting drunk and if so, does your father know?
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My father doesnt let me abuse beer, thats why i have my ways of getting it somewhere else. Im not a little kid anymore.

Chill out with the name calling dude. I have not called you one name so far, and you have called me a troll, ADD, messed up, liar, etc.
 
Makaya325 said:
[...]I have not called you one name so far, and you have called me[...] liar
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What else do you call someone that shows continuous rank dishonesty?
 
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