Truthers and the FDNY

[twinstead]

does anyone know who silverstein was talking to when he made the famous "pull it" phrase and has that fireman talked about what he and silvertein discussed openly?

IIRC, 'pull it' was used in an interview when he was talking about what happened later. It wasn't part of his conversation with his secret NWO handler.

OOPS. Did I just spill the beans?

 

[RedIbis]

IIRC, 'pull it' was used in an interview when he was talking about what happened later. It wasn't part of his conversation with his secret NWO handler.

OOPS. Did I just spill the beans?

You might want to double check that. In the documentary he recounts the conversation he had with the unnamed chief, just before the building collapses.

Poe's middle name is misspelled, as well.

 

[funk de fino]

You might want to double check that. In the documentary he recounts the conversation he had with the unnamed chief, just before the building collapses.

Poe's middle name is misspelled, as well.

Not just before, stop embellishing.

 

[johnny karate]

You might want to double check that. In the documentary he recounts the conversation he had with the unnamed chief, just before the building collapses.

Poe's middle name is misspelled, as well.

Hey Red, since I've got you back in this thread, please address this post.

Thanks in advance.

 

[RedIbis]

Hey Red, since I've got you back in this thread, please address this post.

Thanks in advance.

I don't think my position can be made any more clear than the posts you quoted.

 

[twinstead]

I don't think my position can be made any more clear than the posts you quoted.

I think by addressing, he meant actually responding to his points. Specifically, I'd be interested in your response to:

You specifically name firefighters as witnesses who can offer testimony that contradicts the official version, even though you acknowledge that these same firefighters don't actually question the official version.

 

[Bananaman]

RedIbis:

I don't think my position can be made any more clear than the posts you quoted.

Obfuscation is your middle name, isn't it.

Bananaman.

 

[johnny karate]

I don't think my position can be made any more clear than the posts you quoted.

If that position is that you believe members of the FDNY are complicit in the 9/11 attacks through either stupidity or cowardice, then yes, your position has been made abundantly clear.

But being a fair-minded person, I wanted to offer you the chance to clarify your position.

Your refusal to do so speaks volumes.

 

[RedIbis]

If that position is that you believe members of the FDNY are complicit in the 9/11 attacks through either stupidity or cowardice, then yes, your position has been made abundantly clear.

But being a fair-minded person, I wanted to offer you the chance to clarify your position.

Your refusal to do so speaks volumes.

Why do you continue to have trouble understanding this:

Originally Posted by RedIbis
That's because you have entirely misrepresented what I said. Since I don't expect the firefighters to have immediate explanations for the collapse, it wouldn't surprise me that they agreed and were satisfied with explanations that came out later.

What this has to do with complicity I have no idea, but I'm starting to get pissed at the accusation that I'm accusing any firefighter of any misdeed.

 

[HyJinX]

Oh I get it, Red...you're not saying that they're complicit...but that they're incompitent sheeple who can't think for themselves, regardless of their expertise. Nice. Very nice.

 

[RedIbis]

Oh I get it, Red...you're not saying that they're complicit...but that they're incompitent sheeple who can't think for themselves, regardless of their expertise. Nice. Very nice.

You might consider enrolling yourself in the same reading comprehension class as Johnny.

 

[Bananaman]

RedIbis:

Do not alter names as a form of insult.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

Why do you continue to have trouble understanding this

The nerve. The sheer nerve. You rarely show any indication of understanding a word said to you. To suddenly keel back on your heels in horror denouncing others of not understanding your blatantly idiotic posts is, um, stupid. More than that, it's bloody staggeringly hypocritically barking.

Do you live on planet earth or do you just visit occasionally when your friends are having treatment?

Bananaman.

 

[HyJinX]

Since I don't expect the firefighters to have immediate explanations for the collapse

This is where you call them incompetent regardless of their expertise. No misunderstanding here.

it wouldn't surprise me that they agreed and were satisfied with explanations that came out later.

This is where you call them sheeple who just go along with what they're told and can't think for themselves.

I think we all comprehend what you're saying Red.

 

[twinstead]

In all fairness to Red, those firemen HAVE to be incompetent and unable to think for themselves in his mind for him to justify his position; in lieu of actually changing his position, he has no other choice but to think that about them.

 

[johnny karate]

Why do you continue to have trouble understanding this:

Yes, perhaps the trouble lies with my reading comprehension.

With that in mind, maybe you could clarify what you meant when you said this:

I didn't say he thought it was evidence of explosives. He says he saw "low level flashes" which is consistent with CD. Also on this list of accounts are people who heard, yes heard the sounds of explosions.

Sure, weeks, months, maybe years later, these people were informed of what the source of their initial descriptions were, but as any detective worth his/her salt knows, it's always the first interview which is most important. How people choose to interpret their experience later on is often of little consequence compared to the value of that first, unadulturated account.

How many FF accounts would it take for you to admit that there were reports of synchronized, series of explosions?

Just because you ignore these accounts or toss them off as confused accounts doesn't mean they don't describe precisely, the characteristics of controlled demo.

Because it sure seems like you're implying that firefighters on the scene at WTC7 witnessed aspects of a controlled demolition, but for some reason have said there was no controlled demolition, despite what they experienced.

And there are only two possibilities to explain this phenomenon: either they are complicit in said controlled demolition and wish to keep it secret, or they are too stupid to understand what they witnessed it.

It would be refreshing to see you address this issue with something other than a pat denial.

 

[twinstead]

Actually, now that I think about it, Red must think everybody on Earth--no matter their expertise--who thinks there's nothing suspicious about the collapses is incompetent. I mean seriously--if it is SO obviously suspicious God knows what those so-called experts REALLY think.

 

[RedIbis]

And there are only two possibilities to explain this phenomenon: either they are complicit in said controlled demolition and wish to keep it secret, or they are too stupid to understand what they witnessed it.

False choice fallacy.

 

[twinstead]

False choice fallacy.

So what is the third choice?

 

[RedIbis]

So what is the third choice?

I spell it out quite clearly in the quotes Johnny obsessively posts.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I spell it out quite clearly in the quotes Johnny obsessively posts.

I'm going to derive from the post that was brought back from the grave and ask what I hope is a more pertinent question better fitting of your position

Why do you continue to have trouble understanding this:

That's because you have entirely misrepresented what I said. Since I don't expect the firefighters to have immediate explanations for the collapse, it wouldn't surprise me that they agreed and were satisfied with explanations that came out later.

What this has to do with complicity I have no idea, but I'm starting to get pissed at the accusation that I'm accusing any firefighter of any misdeed.

Firefighters are trained in material relating building construction, fire behavior, and heat transfer (among many other topics). Are you implying they wouldn't have at least suspected that there was a risk for such a result without having to be "told"? Do you perhaps believe that those in the north tower felt that it was a very real danger that the same thing that happened to the south tower could happen to theirs, given the similarities in damage and construction of the towers?