Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

[Gravy]

Regrettably I think it's worse than that. Every time he copy+pastes some guff from a CT website he feels the thrill of taking on the entire corps of JRef debunkers and his position gets more and more entrenched. He's feeling better and better about this whole "debate", I'd say.

Agreed.

At most it's interesting to see this kind of psychology in action (yet again),

A serious question: why is it (at most) interesting to you to see this in action for the hundreth time? I don't get it. To me, trolls are the opposite of interesting. If possible I would like to learn something from the behavior of people like GiE, but I haven't seen any interesting explication of their behavior here. The best I can come up with is, "The internet allows some dumb, small people to feel big." Am I missing something?

so here's a question for GiE ....

GodisEnergy, you claimed all the WTC concrete was pulverised. You have been shown photos showing that this isn't true. Have you changed your position on the pulverisation issue?

Since you asked (I wish you hadn't), here's what I read to Richard Gage on the Hardfire show when he raised the concrete pulverization issue:

"As we examined the WTC-debris sample, we found large chunks of concrete... as well as medium-sized pieces of wall-board (with the binding paper still attached). Thus, the pulverization was in fact NOT to fine dust, and it is a false premise to start with near-complete pulverization to fine powder (as might be expected from a mini-nuke or a “star-wars” beam destroying the Towers)." –Steven Jones, Richard Gage's "research" partner.

You can see more of the WTC concrete rubble here.

 

[GlennB]

A serious question: why is it (at most) interesting to you to see this in action for the hundreth time? I don't get it. To me, trolls are the opposite of interesting. If possible I would like to learn something from the behavior of people like GiE, but I haven't seen any interesting explication of their behavior here. The best I can come up with is, "The internet allows some dumb, small people to feel big." Am I missing something?

I spent several years working in the field of residential care for teenagers suffering from Asperger's Syndrome and then EBD ("emotional and behavioural difficulties" as it's known in the UK). The flagrant rejection of reasoned argument by many of these young people was a common thread running through the work we did, and strategies to cope with it was essential. Confronting these kids with "facts" was almost invariably counter-productive, leading merely to further conflict. I can't pretend, though, to have developed any great skills in that area. It is massively frustrating and I was glad enough to leave that field of work.

However, I have real doubts that all the characters here like GiE are simply trolls. Heiwa, for example, has devoted far too much energy to his absurd website, articles and so on to be merely trolling. I strongly suspect that he, GiE, Terral, Gage, Jones, Wood etc etc etc are, in their different ways, expressing an underlying emotional/behavioural problem. And they seem to enjoy it too much to be deterred by actual information.

 

[Alt+F4]

Wow. Someone just admitted he or she is a troll.

Yup, I love the ignore feature.

 

[Bananaman]

GlennB:

However, I have real doubts that all the characters here like GiE are simply trolls. Heiwa, for example, has devoted far too much energy to his absurd website, articles and so on to be merely trolling. I strongly suspect that he, GiE, Terral, Gage, Jones, Wood etc etc etc are, in their different ways, expressing an underlying emotional/behavioural problem. And they seem to enjoy it too much to be deterred by actual information

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I've come to much the same frustrated, irritated, annoyed conclusion. We're not arguing with rational adults, but demented children. The older I get, and I'm 40 (shame) the more I realise that older people can be every bit as stupid as 12 year olds. I'm sure I can be as ridiculous in other's eyes, but I give it my all to be vaguely sane. Truthers don't seem to be so bothered.

Bananaman (who now just raises his eyebrows at the troofer fraternity, or The Asylum as I prefer to refer to them.)

 

[twinstead]

The vaguely sane ROCK!

 

[CHF]

Because these news corporations are controlled. And the best news is the news which is leaked early on by mistake.

So the media is so controlled that the staff of the BBC can be made to LIE about 9/11.

But at the same time they're so sloppy that the BBC reads its lines early by mistake.

Sort of like how Bush is powerful enough to stage 9/11 but too weak and/or stupid to plant WMD in Iraq.

Gotta love truther "logic."

 

[T.A.M.]

A serious question: why is it (at most) interesting to you to see this in action for the hundreth time? I don't get it. To me, trolls are the opposite of interesting. If possible I would like to learn something from the behavior of people like GiE, but I haven't seen any interesting explication of their behavior here. The best I can come up with is, "The internet allows some dumb, small people to feel big." Am I missing something?

99% of it boils down to paranoia. The remaining 1% is hatred of authority.

Each truther brings their own variation of the above, with their own "approach", which may be interesting to some, but still, it is paranoia and rebellion.

TAM

 

[GodisEnergy]

So the media is so controlled that the staff of the BBC can be made to LIE about 9/11.

But at the same time they're so sloppy that the BBC reads its lines early by mistake.

Sort of like how Bush is powerful enough to stage 9/11 but too weak and/or stupid to plant WMD in Iraq.

Gotta love truther "logic."

if you watch the video , the lady gets the news early by mistake .Even 'they' make mistakes .
Then someone from higher up tell her to stop talking and they have ''technical difficulty''.

Why was planting wmd in iraq neccesary, it wasnt.And the bush administration blatantly dont care about getting caught they laugh about it and make jokes.Its their form of entertainment.Toying with sheep.
While things like bohemian grove and dyncorp making snuff films remains secret.And Worth the bush croud covering up.You know every time these government scandals come out like wmds or clintons bj ,it suits the shadow government,because it creates an illusion of the government being stupid and not able to keep anything secret.Also its doubles as a Pysop.A sort of predictive programming.
Repeated denialism about their government/favourite politicians or partys being corrupt seems to have a great and powerful effect.
I had a conversation with an american once. She once said ''how many people died of mysterious circumstances surrounding bill clinton''
I agreed.
" then later, she said how great bill clinton was so great and the best president ever''
I asked but how can you think hes a great guy if he kills people.
She said thats normal for politicians.
Now i couldnt let a serial killer look after my children ,but to have a serial killer in control of the country and the world nuclear arsenal .
Totally fine with that.

As for concrete being pulverised.I havent changed my tune about this one.Becuase somehow my argument about the top of the tower exploding and not causing a pancake effect (which can clearly be seen in the video).Got turned into How much concrete was pulverised argument.

 

[GodisEnergy]

Media manipulation-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

It extends to other countries too.

But Russia and china probally not.You get less censorship about american news in the pravda and chinese newspapers than the us.
Russia played Zero a 911 investigation film on primetime tv.
In New zealand we had a mini docu on building 7 and the barry jennings interview.In the US i dont think they have even played the building 7 collapse on a major news network after the event happened.

What you also have to understand is for a long time russia(for example) wouldnt play 911 truth.Because guess what.If people understand False flag terrorism then they will understand their own government does it too.Like the apartment bombing of putin.
The georgian proxy war changed that.

 

[beachnut]

99% of it boils down to paranoia. The remaining 1% is hatred of authority.

Each truther brings their own variation of the above, with their own "approach", which may be interesting to some, but still, it is paranoia and rebellion.

TAM

Why do they pick the biggest frauds to support in the battle with authority? Gage uses secondhand delusions; he can’t make up his own. The perception must be Gage is attacking the authority, and they don’t care to check the facts. Suspend rational thought and spew the lies.

 

[T.A.M.]

Why do they pick the biggest frauds to support in the battle with authority? Gage uses secondhand delusions; he can’t make up his own. The perception must be Gage is attacking the authority, and they don’t care to check the facts. Suspend rational thought and spew the lies.

most REAL scientists and engineers ARE in a position of authority. The truthers cannot be choosers, they take what they can get.

TAM

 

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

Why do they pick the biggest frauds to support in the battle with authority?

The more gargantuan the delusion, the more correspondingly outsized the fraud necessary to move it forward. Basic Newtonian principle.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Firstly the Central core columns were melted not exploded to give the inward bowing illusion.This was probally done with normal thermite.Thus we see the molten iron pouring from the south tower moments prior to collapse.

Don't be stupid. If thermite was used to melt the core columns, why would it be pouring out of a corner of the exterior?

 

[DGM]

I had a conversation with an american once. She once said ''how many people died of mysterious circumstances surrounding bill clinton''
I agreed.
" then later, she said how great bill clinton was so great and the best president ever''
I asked but how can you think hes a great guy if he kills people.
She said thats normal for politicians.
Now i couldnt let a serial killer look after my children ,but to have a serial killer in control of the country and the world nuclear arsenal .
Totally fine with that.
.

You really do just make up crap as you go, don't you?

 

[Corsair 115]

Media manipulation... [remainder of post trimmed for brevity's sake]

None of what you wrote in any way addressed my specific question. But I'll make it easier on you: please explain exactly how this supposed conspiracy controls the CBC.

 

[A W Smith]

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[J. Wellington Wimpy]

Controlled by who?

Take a wild guess, re: his "theory," boiled down to its noxious essence:

forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4377861&postcount=2 [Add standard "http" prefix in order to enable link, as I cannot yet post links on this site.]

 

[beachnut]

Is there a Cabal of globalist politicians working toward one world government?
Yes.

Has our democracy been subverted by corporate interests?
definately

Do jews and/or freemasons run america ?
no ..they totally control it

Someone that posts this/that is not able to make a rational stab at 911. They are not capable of mustering the knowledge and assembling the evidence to make logical conclusions and prefer the dirt dumb delusions of 911Truth that fit their bias perverted political fantasyland while choosing to sit and remain in pit of complete ignorance on 911.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

None of what you wrote in any way addressed my specific question. But I'll make it easier on you: please explain exactly how this supposed conspiracy controls the CBC.

Just to avoid confusion... don't you mean the BBC?

Take a wild guess, re: his "theory," boiled down to its noxious essence:

forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4377861&postcount=2 [Add standard "http" prefix in order to enable link, as I cannot yet post links on this site.]

Link added

if you watch the video , the lady gets the news early by mistake .Even 'they' make mistakes .
Then someone from higher up tell her to stop talking and they have ''technical difficulty''.

As for you.... Based your paranoia of the omnipotent j000s and the deep shadow governments you never once considered the likelihood that the chaos generated by those events affected the accuracy of the information provided to news outlets both national and international.

I'm not going to try to convince you to suspend your paranoia, however, considering the kind of chaos that was there that day, none of the mistakes media outlets made would be all too surprising. And you have made no other argument concerning their complicity in this supposed cover-up than your confirmation bias.

Regardless, none of this, or the remainder of your post relates to AE911truth except for this maybe:

As for concrete being pulverised.I havent changed my tune about this one.Becuase somehow my argument about the top of the tower exploding and not causing a pancake effect (which can clearly be seen in the video).Got turned into How much concrete was pulverised argument.

You don't need to change your tune... I'm fully aware that you have not read any engineering reports outside of AE911truth, and all of most of your commentary relating to external articles is based on second hand misinterpretations set forth by Gage et al, and you have no intention of ever being convinced otherwise. That's all the information I and lurkers need in order to ascertain the ineptness of yourself and AE911truth in subjects pertaining to design. Thank you for your contribution.

 

[alexi_drago]

On the early news report, is it unreasonable to think that on learning the building was in danger of collapse they might create a report without waiting for the actual event so they can get the news prepared and ready to go out? Is there no competition between news networks wanting to be the first to report such things? Do you think that things like reports on sporting events are only written after the event is over?

What if a report like that is passed to someone within the network that wasn't totally aware it wasn't to go out straight away and/or whose job it was to make sure the news was reported as quickly as possible, especially considering the pressure the events of a day like 9/11 would give to the people working for the news networks.

The early report is proof of nothing other than some lack of communication within the news network and a rush to be prepared to report on a possible event.