Dear Steering Committee of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice

[Brainache]

I don't know if you could call it a public figurehead...the steering committee members are not publicly known, and not widely known within the group as far as I can tell.

Great Ceasar's Ghost!

The members don't know who runs the place?

So they have their own little Shadow Government thing going there? A proper little anonymous oligarchy.

So just who is it secretly pulling the strings to give us "Truth and Justice" as if it were some kind of Punch and Judy show staged by mental patients for those less fortunate than themselves?

Jones, Victoria Ashley, Hoffman... who else is there?

 

[ref]

Jones, Victoria Ashley, Hoffman... who else is there?

Kevin Ryan.

 

[Architect]

And Victoria Ashley? Who is that? Did you ever meet her? B. Architecture, M.A.,Psychology - Psychology researcher. Has, according to 911research's "Who are we", " ... contributed unique insights into the modes and methods of misinformation used to marginalize the 9/11 Truth Movement."

Architecture undergraduate degree over to a postgrad in Psychology? Bit of a career change there!

 

[Dave Rogers]

Gregory, you have my sympathy over the way STJ911 has treated you. The organisation appears to be a clique run for the benefit of a small minority of its members, and has lost any sight it ever had of its aims. I think you're doing the right thing making a break from them; there's only so long anyone can put up with being the only sane person in the room.

Dave

 

[ref]

The STJ Blog reveals the STJ911.org committee members as of August 2008:

The STJ911 Committee
Victoria Ashley, Frank Legge, Nicholas Newton, Chris Poate, Kevin Ryan, Carl Weis

 

[Brainache]

The STJ Blog reveals the STJ911.org committee members as of August 2008:

The STJ911 Committee
Victoria Ashley, Frank Legge, Nicholas Newton, Chris Poate, Kevin Ryan, Carl Weis

Ahhh The Gang Of Six unmasked!

So Mr (S.) Jones is not on the committee, just some kind of Nutbag Emeritus?

 

[ref]

Ahhh The Gang Of Six unmasked!

So Mr (S.) Jones is not on the committee, just some kind of Nutbag Emeritus?

Actually, I don't know what Jones's role at STJ911.org is. The committee seems to run things over there. Here is a selected compilation of text from the STJ911.org site, that may help clear the picture.

This group and website, like the sister site, the Journal of 9/11 Studies, seeks to present theories and evidence using the scientific method, while also encouraging and presenting related strong efforts in areas such as grand juries, media reform, protests, etc.

Two of our members, Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan, also created the peer-reviewed Journal of 9/11 Studies...

Scholars and its website are currently governed by an ad hoc committee, which formed following a general consensus reached among the membership of the original Scholars for 9/11 Truth regarding governance, website content, and civility. In the near future, an election will be held to select a steering committee. Administrative positions will last for one year.

Except for articles that name Steven E. Jones as the author, Jones has not contributed to the authorship of this website. While Jones has chosen not to highlight the abusive tactics of his detractors, authors of this website have.

I don't know how outdated that info is. The original 2006 members of the ad-hoc committee included Frank Legge, Victoria Ashley and Kevin Ryan. I don't know, like Gregory said, if they actually have had any election "in the near future" after that text was written, since in August 2008 those same people were still members of the committee.

But it seems, that STJ911.org and JONES are sister sites, and Jones is much more involved with JONES than STJ911.org. The committee runs STJ911.org and Jones actually only seems to be a regular member there nowadays. Unless he is running things behind the scenes

 

[alexi_drago]

Great Ceasar's Ghost!

The members don't know who runs the place?

So they have their own little Shadow Government thing going there? A proper little anonymous oligarchy.

So just who is it secretly pulling the strings to give us "Truth and Justice" as if it were some kind of Punch and Judy show staged by mental patients for those less fortunate than themselves?

Jones, Victoria Ashley, Hoffman... who else is there?

Wow, are the NWO attempting to destabilise america by accusing the government of underhand tactics through small groups of people they've managed to get control over?

 

[Lennart Hyland]

I fine decision Gregory!

You are a engineer right?

 

[T.A.M.]

Gregory, you have my sympathy over the way STJ911 has treated you. The organisation appears to be a clique run for the benefit of a small minority of its members, and has lost any sight it ever had of its aims. I think you're doing the right thing making a break from them; there's only so long anyone can put up with being the only sane person in the room.

Dave

Well when you have a group that starts with the premise that anyone who produces evidence contrary to the "inside job" mantra is cointelpro, what do you expect?

TAM

 

[beachnut]

Dear Steering Committee of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice,

I hereby resign my membership with Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice and respectfully demand that all information on the public web site regarding my membership status be updated to reflect this or be removed. ...
Sincerely,
Gregory Urich

They took action! I could not find your name posted at S911TJ any more. If only they would take action and use logic and evidence instead of delusions.



Have you removed your name from the 911Truth petition that claims to have “ample evidence” to blame others for 911 instead of the terrorists? Wow, the mother of all web pages - http://patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html still has you a loyal member and drank the Kool-aid engineer for 911Truth.

Gregory H. Urich, BS EECS, BA Music – Senior Consultant, Software Engineering.

• Signatory of Petition of Solidarity to the Attorney General of New York for a new independent grand jury investigation of 9/11 11/19/04: "We the undersigned: a) think that there is ample evidence and probable cause to believe that many grave and still unresolved crimes were committed by US officials prior to, during and after the events of 9/11; b) observe that most of these apparent crimes, including but not limited to abetment of mass murder, criminal negligence, insider trading, and obstruction of justice fall well within the jurisdiction of New York's top law enforcement officials ..." http://www.justicefor911.org
  
• Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."

Oops, a web page with you still in Scholars; open-loop truth web pages may be a problem to reclaim your intellectual credibility from the anti-intellectual 911Truth movement of delusions. There is that lie from www.justicefor911.org. Good luck.

http://911guide.googlepages.com/PatriotsQuestion911Addressed-Enginee.pdf how do you expunge this goop from your record? Will you be eternally stained with the stink of 911Truth delusions?

 

[ref]

http://911guide.googlepages.com/PatriotsQuestion911Addressed-Enginee.pdf how do you expunge this goop from your record? Will you be eternally stained with the stink of 911Truth delusions?

Well, I can remove his name from that pdf pretty easily

 

[Bobert]

Gregory, you have my sympathy over the way STJ911 has treated you. The organisation appears to be a clique run for the benefit of a small minority of its members, and has lost any sight it ever had of its aims. I think you're doing the right thing making a break from them; there's only so long anyone can put up with being the only sane person in the room.

Dave

It seems that give them enough rope and eventually they begin to feast on their own.

 

[beachnut]

Well, I can remove his name from that pdf pretty easily

cool. Where did that pop up? You can expunge some things.

How did I find your web page? I must of searched Urich and patriots.

How do you expunge your truther-past? talk to ref!

outstanding

 

[ref]

cool. Where did that pop up? You can expunge some things.

How did I find your web page? I must of searched Urich and patriots.

How do you expunge your truther-past? talk to ref!

outstanding

That is my critique of Alan Miller's "Patriots Question 9/11" site, that I wrote a year or so ago for my site. I can erase Urich name from there, at least the STJ part.

Greg, do you still stand by the Petition of Solidarity to the Attorney General of New York? I can erase that too, if the info is outdated.

But I think the erases will not be that easy with Alan Miller site

 

[beachnut]

That is my critique of Alan Miller's "Patriots Question 9/11" site, that I wrote a year or so ago for my site. I can erase Urich name from there, at least the STJ part.

Greg, do you still stand by the Petition of Solidarity to the Attorney General of New York? I can erase that too, if the info is outdated.

But I think the erases will not be that easy with Alan Miller site

Alan is the patriots page?

Patriots have people who I have tired to tell they are posted at a web site of anti-intelligence. People like General Clark are still there; I guess my attempts are dismissed as spam. And Clark is suppose to be highly intelligent. I guess all people are created equal, and free choice is an option. Who has chosen to be on the web page of 911Truth delusions?

To me the Patriot for 911Truth web site is a list of people who suspended rational thought to buy into delusions of 911Truth.

 

[ref]

The "Patriots question 9/11" site is really sad. It is the product of one Alan Miller, who decides himself who he wants to include. He lists every single person who has, by his interpretation, said anything even remotely suggestive of an inside job. Of course, his interpretations are dead wrong. He has, for example, included people who died on 9/11 as "patriots who question 9/11". One good example is Frank A. Demartini.

That is one sad, sad site.

 

[T.A.M.]

A very sad site. When you dig into it, you also realize that many of the scholars allegedly supporting 9/11 truth, are merely friends and associates of David Ray Griffin, who reviewed (likely as a favor) his book for him.

TAM

 

[beachnut]

The "Patriots question 9/11" site is really sad. It is the product of one Alan Miller, who decides himself who he wants to include. He lists every single person who has, by his interpretation, said anything even remotely suggestive of an inside job. Of course, his interpretations are dead wrong. He has, for example, included people who died on 9/11 as "patriots who question 9/11". One good example is Frank A. Demartini.

That is one sad, sad site.

Nice to have web sites like yours http://911guide.googlepages.com/

 

[GregoryUrich]

They took action! I could not find your name posted at S911TJ any more. If only they would take action and use logic and evidence instead of delusions.

Have you removed your name from the 911Truth petition that claims to have “ample evidence” to blame others for 911 instead of the terrorists? Wow, the mother of all web pages - http://patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html still has you a loyal member and drank the Kool-aid engineer for 911Truth. Oops, a web page with you still in Scholars; open-loop truth web pages may be a problem to reclaim your intellectual credibility from the anti-intellectual 911Truth movement of delusions. There is that lie from www.justicefor911.org. Good luck.

http://911guide.googlepages.com/PatriotsQuestion911Addressed-Enginee.pdf how do you expunge this goop from your record? Will you be eternally stained with the stink of 911Truth delusions?

I have started writing a personal statement to "Patriots" but I am not finished yet. I do indeed distance my self from the claim of ample evidence, but unfortunately one can not unsign a petition.

I still think a new "real" investigation would uncover gross negligence and obstruction of justice. In that context, I support the call for a new investigation. Nonetheless, the truth movement so misguided that I no longer support it.