Did Asian Currency Manipulation Cause the GEC?

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Does this make sense?

The asset bubble in the US was caused by Asian (mostly Chinese) currency manipulation.

Why? Because if the Chinese (and other Asian export-oriented economies) were buying US assets not because they thought those assets were a good value, but simply as a way to manipulate their own currency, it could have artificially inflated the values of US assets.
 
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Geithner’s Yuan Call Rejected as ‘Horrible Advice’ at Davos

Jan. 29 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner’s call for China to loosen restrictions on its currency was criticized by economists and policy makers at the World Economic Forum.

Allowing the yuan to strengthen would be “economic suicide” amid an economic slump, Stephen Roach, Morgan Stanley’s Asia Chairman, told a panel in Davos, Switzerland, yesterday. “I’ve never seen an economy in recession voluntarily raise their currency. It’s horrible advice.”

Renewed clashes over the yuan threaten to stoke tension between two of the world’s biggest economies and undermine cooperation to counter the global recession. China limited yuan gains against the dollar in July 2008 after the currency rose 21 percent following the end of a peg three years earlier.
. . .
‘Currency Realignment’

“Obama -- backed by the conclusions of a broad range of economists -- believes that China is manipulating its currency,” Geithner told Senators in written testimony. “The question is how and when to broach the subject in order to do more good than harm.” Obama’s team will “forge an integrated strategy on how best to achieve currency realignment in the current economic environment.”

China’s commerce ministry said Jan. 24 that the country hasn’t manipulated its currency to promote exports and that accusations of government tampering in foreign exchange will fuel U.S. protectionism. China’s yuan trades at about 6.85 to the dollar.

Geithner “certainly did ruffle some feathers,” David Cohen, Singapore-based director of Asian economic forecasting at Action Economics said on Bloomberg Television. “As much as anything he was staking out a bargaining position. I don’t think people expect them to let the currency appreciate again anytime soon.”
 
The asset bubble in the US was caused by Asian (mostly Chinese) currency manipulation.

Why? Because if the Chinese (and other Asian export-oriented economies) were buying US assets not because they thought those assets were a good value, but simply as a way to manipulate their own currency, it could have artificially inflated the values of US assets.
There is an opinion that much of Asia (excluding Japan) have deliberately kept their currencies "too low" via a combination of closed capital account, mercantilist policies and central bank reserve accumulation, and that one result of this was "exported deflation" to the US and Europe, which led to "too easy" monetary policy in the US and Europe which led to "too much" of a rally in asset prices in these areas, as well as the large current account imbalances between Asia and the US and Europe.

There is plenty of blame to go around. Everyone participated voluntarily though.

ETA--And yes, the time for getting China to allow the CNY to appreciate is probably gone. Protectionism (from the US) is certainly possible, perhaps even rational, but it will make everything worse for all. (This is despite the rather obvious pot-kettle hypocrisy of the Chinese government when it accuses the US Treasury of "tampering" in foreign exchange. A country with a closed capital account is always and everywhere tampering in foreign exchange)
 
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I just ran across this article by Sebatian Mallaby

I wasn't aware of this article when I posted this thread, but apparantly Mallaby had exactly the same idea.

Geithner is correct that China manipulates its currency. What's more, this manipulation is arguably the most important cause of the financial crisis. Starting around the middle of this decade, China's cheap currency led it to run a massive trade surplus. The earnings from that surplus poured into the United States. The result was the mortgage bubble.

China's leaders protest that they are being unfairly scapegoated. Yet while there are rival accounts of the origins of the crisis, neither has the explanatory force of the blame-China narrative.

The first rival account is that the crisis reflected failings of U.S. financial regulation. Such failings exist, but most have been around for years. The mortgage bubble reached its craziest extremes in 2005-07, when China was flooding the world with cheap capital.

Moreover, regulatory failings exist not just at one regulator but many. The Securities and Exchange Commission failed to check risks at broker-dealers such as Bear Stearns. State insurance regulators failed to prevent the collapse of AIG. The Federal Reserve failed to see that banks were pouring capital into toxic securities that they then held off their balance sheets. European regulators were no better, even though they had adopted a supposedly more up-to-date set of capital standards. The lesson: Faced with a deluge of cheap money, no regulatory regime can be expected to prevent bubbles.

The second rival account of the crisis accepts that its origins lie less in regulatory failings than in economic pressures. But it blames the bubble on two mistakes at home rather than on the glut of capital from China. Americans should have controlled the urge to splurge, the thinking goes, and borrowed less Chinese money. And the Fed should have shut down the easy-money party by raising interest rates.

If Americans' insatiable appetite for loans explained the flood of Chinese capital into the United States, we would have seen the evidence in a rising price for those loans -- that is, higher interest rates in the bond market. But bond rates were strikingly low at mid-decade. This strongly suggests that it was the supply of lending that went up, not the demand for it. Chinese money flooded into the United States because of the push factor from China, not the pull factor from Americans.

Could the Fed have raised interest rates to avert the bubble? The Fed's monetary policy was indeed too loose. But as Martin Wolf argues in his recent book, "Fixing Global Finance," it's not clear that higher interest rates could have prevented the trouble. Once China decides to export vast quantities of capital, that capital has to go somewhere. Higher interest rates in the United States might have encouraged the world's savers to park even more of their capital in this country.

So there is no getting around China's culpability. The country relies on the sort of export-focused growth strategy that other Asian Tigers have pursued, with the difference that China is too big to go this route without destabilizing the world economy.
 
So , to paraphrase:

- China makes stuff
- The west buys it
- China gets a huge surplus of money
- Which it invests in the West
- Causing an asset bubble

What was the alternative ? Preventing the Chinese economy from growing ? Saying to the third and second world that they're not allowed a slice of the pie ?
 
What was the alternative?
Something like this:

- China makes stuff
- The west buys it
- China gets a huge surplus of money
- Which it invests in the West
- Causing an asset bubble

- China doesn't convert/keep that money into USD and buy US Treasuries with it, but invests it in China where returns are higher
- The CNY rises against world currencies broadly in line with increases in Chinese GDP/capita
- Chinese exports rise in price
- The rest of the world "imports less deflation"
- Rest of world interest rates rise higher than otherwise
- Rest of world asset prices rise less than otherwise

This is, as before, not to say that "China is wholly to blame".
 
With all the money sloshing around the Chinese economy, could this cause an asset bubble in China (similar to Japan in the '80s) or is the Chinese economy sufficiently large to absorb this volume of investment ?
 
Eh? Bubble has been and gone--look at China A,B and C shares over the last 2 years. Wilder than the S&P 500 by a lot.

(I don't think the US advice would have been to play the local stock market with all the reserves)
 
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China is will to step in right quick and hammer down bubbles to a degree with rapid policy changes.

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS; China Acts to Curtail Property Speculation

By DAVID BARBOZA
Published: May 13, 2005 The Chinese government moved on Thursday to impose new taxes and restrictions on property transactions in what appears to be its most determined attempt yet to prevent a huge real estate bubble from developing in its biggest cities.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E2DF1130F930A25756C0A9639C8B63&sec=&spon=

Somebody got it correct a while back....

Saturday, November 17, 2007

Robert Shiller warns that asset bubbles are risk to global economy


From AME Info

Robert Shiller, Stanley B Resor Professor of Economics, Yale University, warned that possible speculative bubbles in stock, real estate and oil markets could cause instability in the global economy.

'Perhaps we have gotten a little too confident in the global economic growth. The problem is high oil, stock and real estate prices. There is a question about whether all this can be explained by low interest rates. This is a question that I can't authoritatively answer. But I believe that a substantial part is speculative bubble thinking. We have gotten too confident of the prices in these markets.'
ya think maybe.....:garfield:
 

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