Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

[Bobert]

If you didn't do this
http://www.frools.net/lolz/sisko-facepalm.jpg

when you saw this
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_9777486fa44971ae0.jpg

you might want to contact your local mental health professional.

.......and see if anti-psychotic meds are right for you!
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/delusional_disorder/hic_delusional_disorder.aspx

 

[GodisEnergy]

In your understanding of the conservation of momentum please explain how the experiment is valid in relation to the twin towers collapse. Equations are neccessary.

Cognisance of the two seperate methods of construction of a rectangular cardboard box and a high rise steel building is essential. Please also detail how you accounted for the different materials and the how you can compare steel combined with reinforced concrete and the stresses which these materials are under to a small unloaded cardboard box.

Also to support your understanding show that the impact of a small empty cardboard box onto another box is similar to the impact of several stories of structural steel, reinforced concrete and miscelleaneous materials and items, impacting onto one floor of a building. A floor that was designed to carry not much more than its self load(weight of supporting structural members), dead load (weight of office furniture/permanent fixtures) and the live load(people).

Echoing what others have said before, rationalise why cardboard should be a suitable construction material for high rise structures, since you claim its behaviour is the same as steel. If this is the case as you claim, surely it must be suitable.

1. Its not an experiment its a demonstration.
2. your taking things way out of context ,all the demonstration is trying to show to Laymen is the Conservation of momentum Principle
3.How you can twist a demonstration like this into one of your Propaganda campaigns shows how deseperate you are to deny the truth.

 

[GodisEnergy]

In your understanding of the conservation of momentum please explain how the experiment is valid in relation to the twin towers collapse. Equations are neccessary.

Cognisance of the two seperate methods of construction of a rectangular cardboard box and a high rise steel building is essential. Please also detail how you accounted for the different materials and the how you can compare steel combined with reinforced concrete and the stresses which these materials are under to a small unloaded cardboard box.

Also to support your understanding show that the impact of a small empty cardboard box onto another box is similar to the impact of several stories of structural steel, reinforced concrete and miscelleaneous materials and items, impacting onto one floor of a building. A floor that was designed to carry not much more than its self load(weight of supporting structural members), dead load (weight of office furniture/permanent fixtures) and the live load(people).

Echoing what others have said before, rationalise why cardboard should be a suitable construction material for high rise structures, since you claim its behaviour is the same as steel. If this is the case as you claim, surely it must be suitable.

1. Its not an experiment its a demonstration.
2. your taking things way out of context ,all the demonstration is trying to show to Laymen is the Conservation of momentum Principle
3.How you can twist a demonstration like this into one of your Propaganda campaigns shows how deseperate you are to deny the truth.

 

[beachnut]

1. Its not an experiment its a demonstration.
2. your taking things way out of context ,all the demonstration is trying to show to Laymen is the Conservation of momentum Principle
3.How you can twist a demonstration like this into one of your Propaganda campaigns shows how deseperate you are to deny the truth.

The conservation of energy statement concerning 911 is a red flag for delusions coming from 911Truth. 911Truth, personified by Thermite Jones, says look here, the law of conservation of energy was broken on 911. You have no clue what they are trying to say, you just repeat what Jones says, wave your hands, declare you know what happen on 911, ignore evidence and repeat the delusional slogan from Jones again.

You have been tricked by 911Truth, and you post the balls proving Jones has no clue on 911.


If you understood physics, you would not believe Jones or 911Truth. How many credit hours will it take?

You are not leaning from your own demonstrations.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

How many "tall" buildings has Rickie Gage worked on again???

TAM

Tall by which standard? 21st century AD or 21st century BC?

I tell ya, a guy with Gages knowledge coulda made a killing back in the bronze age.

 

[GodisEnergy]

If you all spent half the ammount of time insulting other people and questioning their credibility (when you have none yourself) you may actually learn something

Please keep in mind the Membership Agreement and do not use personal attacks to argue your point.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

 

[Grizzly Bear]

1. Its not an experiment its a demonstration.
2. your taking things way out of context ,all the demonstration is trying to show to Laymen is the Conservation of momentum Principle
3.How you can twist a demonstration like this into one of your Propaganda campaigns shows how deseperate you are to deny the truth.

[qimg]http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo332/subedei11/img_mid_4059.gif[/qimg]

When an action results in an equal reaction? What happens when neither structural system is able to sustain those forces? What happens when individual elements fail adding to the mass being pulled downward by gravity?

If you all spent half the ammount of time insulting other people and questioning their credibility (when you have none yourself) you may actually learn something

I actually had a tiny bit of faith in Gage that he might actually know something, and he had yet to demonstrate it. Having seen one of his presentations now however, I've lost just about any shred of confidence I ever had in his credibility... that is assuming there was any remaining after seeing the card board box experiment.

 

[bje]

It doesnt matter what material you make it from water, even air will provide resistance

Sorry, this joker tried to foist The Hovind Theory on civilized human beings already. It didn't work:



P. S. Yes, Hovind is indeed in jail for tax evasion.

 

[dudalb]

When Scientific Woo and Crackpot Conspiracy Theories combine, a Perfect Storm of idiocy results.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

It appears that GiE has fallen back on the ULTIMA1 strategy. When whatever it was you were hiding behind claiming "science" gets utterly torn apart, use one-sentence juvenile insults exclusively.

Although in terms of posts/day, U1 had you creamed hands down. Better get on that.

 

[Bell]

If you all spent half the ammount of time insulting other people and questioning their credibility (when you have none yourself) you may actually learn something

THIS credibility?

 

[Gravy]

pwned how so ? Alot of paint has iron oxide in it ,this gives it a red colour but doesnt have aluminium in it as this is dangerous and causes aluminotheric reaction

Where in the world did you learn such nonsense?

The brutes in the U.S. Patent Office even issued a patent for iron oxide and aluminum oxide paint! When? 2001! Boom!

The fiends at the Journal of Pigment and Resin Technology are apparently plotting to blow us all to kingdom come!

Enhancement of properties of red iron oxide – aluminium oxide solid solutions anticorrosive pigments

Abstract: Purpose – Several solid solution combinations of aluminium oxide and iron oxide, for the preparation of a new pigment, were investigated to study the effect of aluminium oxide to iron oxide ratio on various properties of the resulting pigments.

OMG! It's even worse in 2009! Airplanes and medical labs painted with exploding supernanothermite!

Particles of the new material could be incorporated in a paint to shield sensitive equipment in medical areas, labs, or aeroplanes from the effects of high-speed wireless communications, says Ohkoshi, who adds that the paint would be relatively cheap to make because aluminium and iron are abundant materials.

Seriously, how hard is it to type a few words into Google, GodisEnergy?

Gravy ill beleive it when i see it

Yet you haven't even looked for it. Delve into the reports as I did. I could post the chart of the primer composition now, as I've done before, but you really need to crack open the reports and learn what's in them, GiE. You can also call the paint companies, as I did, and learn about the aluminosilicates in their pigments and binders. Don't take my word for it. Do the work if you care.

I would tell you to ask Gage or Jones, but they haven't read the reports. You should, however, ask them the questions I posed in my last post.

GodisEnergy, doesn't it bother you that over a year ago these men announced a WTC "Smoking gun" based on these red chips – which both look identical to and have the same composition as WTC paint – yet they had no idea what the WTC primer paint consists of or how it should react when zapped with a laser?

It's been over a year. Why haven't these men who you defend done the most basic work to demonstrate that their "smoking gun" is anything but laughable buffoonery?

Will you ask them, GodisEnergy? If not, why?

 

[beachnut]

If you all spent half the ammount of time insulting other people and questioning their credibility (when you have none yourself) you may actually learn something

I have learned Gage tell lies. It is the truth not an insult to tell you Gage tells lies.

 

[johnny karate]

It might be a good time to point out that this is the kind of despicable nonsense GodisEnergy routinely spews:

Im not interested in Firefighters Opinions, Opinions are biased and i dont think most of them can handle the CD truth

Let's not get bogged down arguing with someone irrational and virulent enough to hold the FDNY in such contempt.

 

[Gravy]

It might be a good time to point out that this is the kind of despicable nonsense GodisEnergy routinely spews:

Wow. Yet he counts as credible Richard Gage, who told his radio audience, "Ninety thousand tons of structural steel has been pulverized to a fine talcum powder through these intense explosions"

Gage is every bit as nutty as Judy Wood or Jim Fetzer.

Let's not get bogged down arguing with someone irrational and virulent enough to hold the FDNY in such contempt.

Thanks for the head's up. I'll give his posts a pass.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

What is this bugaboo about iron oxide and aluminum being volatile?

I spent 6 years on an Arleigh-Burke class destroyer...An all steel ship, which most certainly rusts almost constantly. Topside you've got multiple fittings made out of aluminum, which also corrodes in the seawater environment.

So why is it you don't hear about things constructed with steel (which rusts) and aluminum (which corrodes) just spontaneously flashing in a huge conflagration of thermite?

It's because there's a little bit more to thermite than just iron oxide and aluminum. It's this overly simplistic, damn near blind approach to science that makes it even possible for the Truth Movement to have devotees.

Gravy, I wish I'd known about your tours back in 2004. I was there for Fleet Week and would have loved to have taken one. Instead I spent all day at the Tavern on the Green getting piss drunk on the generosity of New Yorkers.

 

[buka001]

1. Its not an experiment its a demonstration.
2. your taking things way out of context ,all the demonstration is trying to show to Laymen is the Conservation of momentum Principle
3.How you can twist a demonstration like this into one of your Propaganda campaigns shows how deseperate you are to deny the truth.

[qimg]http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo332/subedei11/img_mid_4059.gif[/qimg]

The demonstration showed that if you drop a small empty cardboard box onto another box, nothing much happens. That is all.

So my question again is since you believe that this is similar to what happened at the WTC, prove it. Provide equations that provide a link between the momentum of a small empty cardboard box falling a few centimeters is comparable to the collapse of a office building floor, consisting of structural steel, reinforced concrete and other materials, onto another floor a few meters below.

You are the one twisting the result of a small demonstration to peddle your poor understanding of the principles of momentum, engineering and physics to somehow bolster your belief in a conspiracy that does not exist.

 

[GodisEnergy]

Joey your turrets may be a danger as in the falklands war the british ships made out of aluminium exploded rapidly.

Grizzly, If the individual elements pankaked and built upon each other you would be correct.But all the mass was exploded outward and did not build up like an avalanche.
All the concrete was pulverised ,it didnt add to the weight, also the steel was ejected outward and didnt add to the weight.You cannot have it both ways .

Gravy , if you have listened to s jones lectures , him and keving ryans first impression was this was the wtc paint primer.Thats why they left it for a long time and concentrated on iron spheres.
However Kevin ryan did analysis on the chips and found it wasnt paint.
Eds analysis was conducted.
1.At different scales al .fe. al .si was found . Even at a Nano scale.
Paint isnt made at a nano scale,if you do eds analysis at a nano scale on your paint primer you will find a chunk of aluminium or a chunk of iron.
But at the smallest scales they were finding al.fe.si.k Which indicates its nanoparticles of aluminium iron etc.
2.The red chips have been heated using several different methods and found to be highly explosive.
I really doubt that paint primer would be explosive.

And i wait to see the chemical composition of your paint primer.
I cannot call the paint company as it would be very expensive im from new zealand.
I trust your honesty and will await your results of the chemical compostion of the paint primer.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Joey your turrets may be a danger as in the falklands war the british ships made out of aluminium exploded rapidly.

From HazeGrey.ORG:

During the Falklands War, SHEFFIELD was hit by an Argentine Exocet missile which among other things disabled the fire fighting mains, and although the fires were put out she sank under tow several days later. COVENTRY was sunk by Argentine bombs during the same campaign. The oft repeated story about the loss of these ships due to the use of aluminum in their superstructures is a myth.

Bolding mine. Swing and a miss, skippy. I wonder what else you're wrong about?

 

[beachnut]

Joey your turrets may be a danger as in the falklands war the british ships made out of aluminium exploded rapidly.

Grizzly, If the individual elements pankaked and built upon each other you would be correct.But all the mass was exploded outward and did not build up like an avalanche.
All the concrete was pulverised ,it didnt add to the weight, also the steel was ejected outward and didnt add to the weight.You cannot have it both ways .

Gravy , if you have listened to s jones lectures , him and keving ryans first impression was this was the wtc paint primer. ...

Paint isnt made at a nano scale,if ...

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LOL, good that joey's boat is STEEL; mainly. Good work reading!

LOL, oops, here is a photo of pancake action on floors from the WTC! Why are you wrong on all things 911. Please listen to people here and not 911Truth or Jones. NO! NO! did you say the concrete was pulverized? LOL All of it!!! LOLANL

This same photo is used by Jones to lie and say this was melted metal now solid! Jones also made up thermite idea of destroying the WTC.
Floor of the WTC all smashed together! You need to study some more and stop using hearsay as your evidence.

You are telling Gravy to listen to idiots? LOL

Paint is not made at the nano scale? LOL
NANO-PAINT (in the NewWorldOrder we have used nano paint for a long time)
http://www.auto123.com/en/news/car-news/mercedes-benz-nano-paint?artid=21942&pg=1
http://www.gizmag.com/go/2391/
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/10/thermal_insulating_paint.php
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/02/70117
This is cool, you make a claim, and the opposite is true. You are the anti-truth expert.
Jones and 911Truth delusions have you fooled!


GiE how thick were WTC floors? How many floors are in the photo above in the picture of multiple floors of the WTC when they pancaked together?