Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

[GodisEnergy]

Start with a false premise and you're unlikely to arrive at the correct answer. The towers did not collapse at freefall speed. Don't take my word for it: time them, using videos that clearly show the beginnings of the collapses. Use several videos to arrive at an average.

What are your results? How many seconds over "freefall time" did the collapses take? Now, how much TNT-equivalent energy was necessary to overcome the resistance met by the falling portion of the towers?

I understand the towers didnt fall at free fall speed.
Right now im arguing that the cardboard box experiment is valid in demonstrating conservation of momentum.

The towers didnt fall at free fall speed but there were moments of free fall acceleration as shown in david chandlers videos.
Which is contradicting conservation of momentum.
With pankaking collapse the speed can increase to terminal velocity due to an avalanche affect but cannot accelerate at free fall acceleration

 

[Baylor]

Hello GodisEnergy. This is your dignity and self-respect typing. You have just been pwned. And we are suffering because of it. Do both of us a favor and stop posting. Or at least commit suicide by mods to save us the needless suffering. Thank you.

GodisEnergy's Dignity and Self-respect

 

[GodisEnergy]

pwned how so ? Alot of paint has iron oxide in it ,this gives it a red colour but doesnt have aluminium in it as this is dangerous and causes aluminotheric reaction

Gravy ill beleive it when i see it

 

[beachnut]

...Which is contradicting conservation of momentum.
...

If only you understood conservation of energy Jones would not hoodwink you.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Cardboard also cannot fall through another peice of cardboard [...]

So... it's your belief that the Twin Towers were actually solid sheets of steel?

 

[Stupid]

Is it fair to assume, using GodisEnergy's examples...that if the properties of cardboard are comparable to the properties of structural steel....
.....that a WTC tower could just as easily been constructed out of cardboard ?



=S=

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Is it fair to assume, using GodisEnergy's examples...that if the properties of cardboard are comparable to the properties of structural steel....
.....that a WTC tower could just as easily been constructed out of cardboard ?

Sacre Bleu! We've all been shnookered by the steel industry!

If that holds true, I'd like to see GiE write a proposal to a major skyscraper construction firm lauding the advantages of constructing with cardboard over steel.

 

[beachnut]

GIE is correct, I dropped a cardboard box onto another cardboard box and they did not collapse to the ground with the energy of over 130 tons of TNT.

However, I stacked the boxes and moved my office into the top floor (top box), the building collapsed! Almost as "fast" as free fall! Why is my monitor cracked?

Does not look good for my cardboard box office skyscraper. Darn!

 

[GodisEnergy]

yes thats my point even dropping your office on top of cardboard will not fall at exactly free fall speed.Even against air.
But were not dropping it onto cardboard where dropping it onto other offices, and this should reduce the momentum substantially.

 

[Hokulele]

yes thats my point even dropping your office on top of cardboard will not fall at exactly free fall speed.Even against air.
But were not dropping it onto cardboard where dropping it onto other offices, and this should reduce the momentum substantially.

By how much?

Please show your math.

 

[Baylor]

If you didn't do this

when you saw this

you might want to contact your local mental health professional.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Ahh! The Sisko facepalm.

Hardly see those in this weather anymore...

 

[beachnut]

yes thats my point even dropping your office on top of cardboard will not fall at exactly free fall speed.Even against air.
But were not dropping it onto cardboard where dropping it onto other offices, and this should reduce the momentum substantially.

Please tell me the speed of free fall; I forgot the exact speed? Thank you.

 

[TJM]

Did my ill will just use "scientific" to describe something made by cardboard box afficionado Richard Gage? (head asplodes)

I waited until I read the whole thread.

 

[buka001]

I understand the towers didnt fall at free fall speed.
Right now im arguing that the cardboard box experiment is valid in demonstrating conservation of momentum.

The towers didnt fall at free fall speed but there were moments of free fall acceleration as shown in david chandlers videos.
Which is contradicting conservation of momentum.
With pankaking collapse the speed can increase to terminal velocity due to an avalanche affect but cannot accelerate at free fall acceleration

In your understanding of the conservation of momentum please explain how the experiment is valid in relation to the twin towers collapse. Equations are neccessary.

Cognisance of the two seperate methods of construction of a rectangular cardboard box and a high rise steel building is essential. Please also detail how you accounted for the different materials and the how you can compare steel combined with reinforced concrete and the stresses which these materials are under to a small unloaded cardboard box.

Also to support your understanding show that the impact of a small empty cardboard box onto another box is similar to the impact of several stories of structural steel, reinforced concrete and miscelleaneous materials and items, impacting onto one floor of a building. A floor that was designed to carry not much more than its self load(weight of supporting structural members), dead load (weight of office furniture/permanent fixtures) and the live load(people).

Echoing what others have said before, rationalise why cardboard should be a suitable construction material for high rise structures, since you claim its behaviour is the same as steel. If this is the case as you claim, surely it must be suitable.

 

[alexi_drago]

pwned how so ? Alot of paint has iron oxide in it ,this gives it a red colour but doesnt have aluminium in it as this is dangerous and causes aluminotheric reaction

Gravy ill beleive it when i see it

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=15040449

"Energy efficient coloured paint coatings utilising flaky aluminium pigment with either single layer (Fe2O3) or double layer (Fe2O3 on SiO2) interference coatings are optically and thermally characterised."

And I'm sure you'll be able to guess the shape of the iron oxide particles commonly supplied to paint manufacturers.

 

[Architect]

This coming from a bus tour driver ,wheres your structural engineering degree.

Well, mate, if you're going to start that kind of crap then I'll raise you two architecture degrees, ARB registration, RIBA membership, and 15 years experience in tall buildings.

 

[dudalb]

Well, mate, if you're going to start that kind of crap then I'll raise you two architecture degrees, ARB registration, RIBA membership, and 15 years experience in tall buildings.

Game, Set and Match to Architect.

 

[T.A.M.]

Well, mate, if you're going to start that kind of crap then I'll raise you two architecture degrees, ARB registration, RIBA membership, and 15 years experience in tall buildings.

How many "tall" buildings has Rickie Gage worked on again???

TAM

 

[Architect]

I could count them on the fingers of one head.