Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3

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xblade said:
You're right about that. Casting a spell to summon a bigfoot from the underworld will get one quicker than searching Bluff Creek, or anywhere else on the planet for that matter.
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Especially since those suckers are extinct.
 
makaya325 said:
How is it unnatural if skeptics claim its to blurry to make out any details?
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Things like big saggy diaper butt and rock-hard torpedo breasts are not exactly hard to spot details, but are in fact evidence of extremely unnatural anatomy.
 


Sorry for the lack of any Details in this first Picture.
I'll put a bit more Detail in the second picture.

 
Hitch said:
Things like big saggy diaper butt and rock-hard torpedo breasts are not exactly hard to spot details, but are in fact evidence of extremely unnatural anatomy.
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Yet when proponents of the film state that they see muscle movements, then they are seeing what they want to see? Why cant it be applied to skeptics seeing what they want to see: Keys, Hip waders, diaper butt?
 
makaya325 said:
Yet when proponents of the film state that they see muscle movements, then they are seeing what they want to see? Why cant it be applied to skeptics seeing what they want to see: Keys, Hip waders, diaper butt?
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You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Skeptics talk about Bigfoot enthusiasts seeing details that can not be supported by the resolution of the film. Think M.K. Davis and teeth, etc. Nobody said you can't see anything. And what are you talking about seeing keys and hip waders? There is a line moving at Patty's thigh that is unnatural for any thigh muscle.

Tell me, what do you make of Patty's completely unnatural breasts?
 
The rains were so heavy, it drove RP and BG out of the Bluff Creek area completely. However, this timeline from DDA, shows that they prints were visible seven months later

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Rene Dahinden was in San Francisco and met Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin as they were exiting the Bluff Creek area because of heavy rains. John Green, Rene Dahinden and Jim McClarin all saw the movie at Al de Atley's home, the first showing. Roger and Bob went to Seattle and made copies of the film the following week at Forde Motion Pictures then went to BC to show the film to scientists at the University there. Bob Titmus saw the movie at the University of British Columbia and then went down to the site and made 10 casts. John Green and Jim McClarin were at the site in June of 1968 and made a comparison movie. Tracks were still visible.
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http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=21716&view=findpost&p=510271
 
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Gimlin's 1992 account of the heavy rain. Note that he claims he already had prepared to cover the tracks with cardboard by getting some boxes the night before from Hodgson. These boxes were already ruined by the rain before Gimlin even started to go cover any tracks. Also, Chris Murphy has it beginning to rain at midnight, meaning it rained on the tracks all night, which fits with the ruined boxes.

It's raining hard for at least a couple of hours, by either account, before Gimlin can possibly get out there.

There is also the bit about leaving Roger at the site alone after it started raining.

Wonder why Gimlin was going to cover the tracks with cardboard? He must have already thought he needed to cover them for some reason that night.
Why not get some boards from Hodgson?

Around 5:30 a.m. or so it started raining and it was just a pouring down rain. I told Roger we better get up and do something about the tracks or they'd wash out, and he said no, it would stop raining after a while. I went ahead and got up, put the saddle on my horse and decided I would ride up there while it was raining really hard and Roger says ah it'll quit, don't ride up there. I said no, I'm going to go ahead and ride on up there. I had gotten a couple of cardboard boxes from Mr. Hodgson's to cover these tracks the night before. So when I went outside to get a couple of these boxes that were folded up out there, they were just soggy old pieces of cardboard. I disregarded taking those back up there - so I rode back up to the scene, pulled some bark off some trees and covered up the tracks as best I could and went back to camp.
By then we decided it wasn't going to quit raining. The little creek that was six or seven feet across was now ten or twelve feet across and four feet deep! We were on the side of the creek which had to be crossed with the truck to get out to the main road. I said well I'm going to go ahead and cross the creek with the truck and get started out. And of course Roger thought it would stop raining and he suggested I leave him there and come back and pick him up.
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I believe this bit supports the idea that it was in fact already raining that night.

These were all things that we did prior to leaving the scene. It was a good thing we did, because that night when we came back...
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The quote is cut off in the interview, but I'd bet a lot of money that the end of it was something about it having started to rain that night. I think the earlier bit about 5:30am is when it started raining "heavily".
 
We also have the confusing lines:

By then we decided it wasn't going to quit raining.
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And of course Roger thought it would stop raining and he suggested I leave him there and come back and pick him up.
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They are contradictory, plus there's the fact that they

were on the side of the creek which had to be crossed with the truck to get out to the main road
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Meaning Gimlin likely won't be able to get the truck back across to retrieve Roger due to the flooding.
 
I don't usually rely on the 1992 interview, but it has the best references to the rain and the flooding.

From Murphy's pgf history:

Back at the campsite, weather conditions had gone from bad to worse. Fearing a possible landslide on the Bluff Creek road, Patterson and Gimlin decided to get out of the area. They packed up and left for Yakima at about 4:00 a.m., October 21, 1967. They experienced great difficulties getting out of the area. The Bluff Creek road had caved away so they had to take the Onion Mountain route.
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makaya325 said:
Yet when proponents of the film state that they see muscle movements, then they are seeing what they want to see? Why cant it be applied to skeptics seeing what they want to see: Keys, Hip waders, diaper butt?
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First thing you learn is that the skeptics do not have all the answers.
 
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Aepervius said:
First things I learned is that believer have *ALL* the answer from everything to the life and the universe, and their answer funnily enough are neither "42", nor "I don't know".
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We're talking about the Patterson Gimlin film not the Universe at large.
 
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