alien life possibility is pathetic

[tsig]

So you're saying that you'll only admit that you're not 100% certain that there's no life when you've been proven wrong definitively.

Yeah, that's much better.

I wonder how much of science works that way.

"Oh yes, there's no possibility at all of finding another planet. I'll admit I'm wrong only when we discover another one!" *Years go along until proper telescopes are found, so ergo, he was right!!111*



The "little green men" statement demonstrates your lack of imagination.



Also...

Didn't you state that you wanted SETI to be disbanded?

So, let me get this straight. Overall, you're saying:

"I'll only admit that I might actually be wrong and don't understand life and the possibility of life in every single way, and that (all, complex, insert whatever adjective here depending on Makaya's mood, apparently) life is not possible in all corners of the universe, only when the organization I think should be dismantled finds something. Until then, the organization should be dismantled."

Apparently, you can't keep all your arguments straight, or you don't care to.

That's because he isn't arguing. He just picks up a phrase in a post then twists it a little and spits it back.

I'm sure a program could be written to do the same.
No sign of "advanced life" here.

 

[makaya325]

That's because he isn't arguing. He just picks up a phrase in a post then twists it a little and spits it back.

I'm sure a program could be written to do the same.
No sign of "advanced life" here.

There is no need for imagination. Regarding other non-carbon based life, its not plausible. Carbon is way more widespread than silicon, and silicon couldnt allow for simple life to evolve.

 

[Belz...]

Sure, why not? Earth can contaminate any planet it lands on!

I'll take that as a "no", then, seeing as you're assuming, from the get-go, that only Earth can have life.

2.

Improbable. We do know the evolution of life to complex life took a very long time, from 3.6 billion years to 500 millions years. And we had it easy. I look at it like this when it comes to alien planets. Lets say life is represented by blocks, and the tower we want to build with those blocks is complex life. Tell me this: What are the chances that the blocks will form a large tower without any dangers, like solar flares, asteroids, gamma rays, black holes, etc? So every time the microbial life trys to build its tower, a gamma ray would represent knocking down the tower, and then life has to begin again or die out

3.

The search for other civilizations is like looking for little green men. Looking for microbes is less controversial

4

The evolution of complex life to intelligent life is very probable, so any complex life would emerge into intelligent life. Since we have scanned the whole sky and came up empty, its safe to assume that intelligent life nor complex life exist.


If you keep ignoring questions, I think it's time to give up on this thread.

The problem with your points above is that they are all based on nothing. They are your opinion but you cannot actually show them to be true. You assume so.

As far as I'm concerned, it is irrational to assume that only one planet can support life in the universe. That makes no sense, not only because the numbers involved are, to say the least, astronomical, but because we only know of one possible planet type that bears life. The fact is, not only could other planets be in similar circumstances, but completely different planets could produce very different life forms.

Frankly, we simply don't know. You're acting as though you do know, which is unreasonable. I don't know if there's life, out there, but in terms of sheer numbers, it it not only possible but seems quite probable.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

There is no need for imagination. Regarding other non-carbon based life, its not plausible. Carbon is way more widespread than silicon, and silicon couldnt allow for simple life to evolve.

Please let me get this straight: You are a high school student that has been told something by his Biology teacher and you are arguing by reason of personal incredulity with some people who may have actually graduated from high school?

Some may actually have PhDs in the areas in which you claim greater knowledge?

Why don't you wait until you graduate before appearing so foolish in public?

Before then, you might actually try reading the information at the urls that have been posted, rather than repeating yourself.

 

[bruto]

The evolution of complex life to intelligent life is very probable, so any complex life would emerge into intelligent life. Since we have scanned the whole sky and came up empty, its safe to assume that intelligent life nor complex life exist.

Makaya, you keep coming back to this foolish expectation that every living thing but humanity must be advanced beyond our wildest dreams in order to exist at all.

WE are intelligent life (well, some of us at least). Our very existence is proof positive, probability of 1, that intelligent life can exist and flourish in this universe without coming even close to being able to engage in interstellar travel and communication.

I don't know what you mean by "scanned the whole sky," but I don't think we've seen much detail out in the farthest reaches of space, and don't forget that what we see is what was happening millions of years ago. Why should we expect that any living thing that might be out there would have gotten further millions or even billions of years more quickly than we did?

I don't know whether or not there's life out there, and I don't know whether or not it's scientifically reasonable to expect it, but I do know that that argument of yours is astonishingly silly.

 

[Lonewulf]

There is no need for imagination. Regarding other non-carbon based life, its not plausible. Carbon is way more widespread than silicon, and silicon couldnt allow for simple life to evolve.

I'm sorry. I missed the evidence on that. Can you provide some, please?

 

[makaya325]

I'm sorry. I missed the evidence on that. Can you provide some, please?

I have read Jack Cohens "Evolving the alien" , which was an excuse to fantasize about imaginary scenarios, rather than ward and browlee's research. The book was a joke. Why wouldnt life be based on carbon? Its far more common than silicon. Lets say life starts elsewhere, then a year later, its bombarded with flares and gamma rays. Then, its an inhospitable world.

Our location in the galaxy is incredible: Very narrow, tiny. Compared to the galaxy, we live in a force field

 

[Lonewulf]

I have read Jack Cohens "Evolving the alien" , which was an excuse to fantasize about imaginary scenarios, rather than ward and browlee's research. The book was a joke. Why wouldnt life be based on carbon? Its far more common than silicon.

Carbon is not distributed evenly. Even then, saying that silicon is more uncommon does not disprove any possibilities. You're essentially using an Argument from Incredulity fallacy.

You've provided no evidence whatsoever.

*yawns*

Wake me up when Makaya actually brings something worth thinking about.

 

[Bell]

Makaya, let's say there is no other life in all of the universe.

Now what?

 

[JFrankA]

If you keep ignoring questions, I think it's time to give up on this thread.

You've been ignoring a lot of questions yourself. More than we've been ignoring yours. In fact, you've been ignoring more answers and discussions than anyone on this board.

There is no need for imagination.

Are you crazy? Science starts with imagination. We find a hypnothesis, then we go to test it from there. If the test is out-and-out wrong, you throw it out and try a different approach.

You haven't tested anything. You have been just been pontificating.

Lone, i would admit im wrong the day seti recieves a signal

Well, then. With that attitude, I don't understand why you don't say "I would admit that big foot exists when they have one captured."

----- it is the same attitude....

 

[Lonewulf]

I think Makaya really wants to feel special, and is willing to go to any length to do so.

I almost feel sorry for him, considering that the Universe doesn't really care how special he wants to feel or not.

 

[LarianLeQuella]

Do you go to a public school? Your vast ignorance and lack of education in your posts would point to a prime example of what is wrong with the US education system... I can only hope that when you are tagged and released, you never manage to be put in charge of anything more advanced than a McDonalds Fry Machine.

Our location in the galaxy is pure chance. And at 280 km/sec it has changed a great deal in the past 4.5 BILLION years... Your assertions of fact are based on an insignificant snapshot of only the things you have observed outside your basement window. All your arguments are without logic or any actual contemplation aside from your gut feel.

I can only hope this is all a "Colbert" act, and we are all a victim of Poe's Law. Otherwise... my first paragraph stands.

 

[makaya325]

I think Makaya really wants to feel special, and is willing to go to any length to do so.

I almost feel sorry for him, considering that the Universe doesn't really care how special he wants to feel or not.

Lone, the universe doesnt care if people say life has to exist elsewhere.

I might have been a little heated when starting the topic. The truth is: I do think that microbes are likely to exist, however, the transition from microbes to complex life is incredible to consider

 

[Bell]

Lone, the universe doesnt care if people say life has to exist elsewhere.

I might have been a little heated when starting the topic. The truth is: I do think that microbes are likely to exist, however, the transition from microbes to complex life is incredible to consider

I appreciate you stating this.

Now, if Earth harbors the only intelligent* life in the universe, instead of many many civilasations... so what?

* That is, if you can call the human race intelligent.

 

[tsig]

I have read Jack Cohens "Evolving the alien" , which was an excuse to fantasize about imaginary scenarios, rather than ward and browlee's research. The book was a joke. Why wouldnt life be based on carbon? Its far more common than silicon. Lets say life starts elsewhere, then a year later, its bombarded with flares and gamma rays. Then, its an inhospitable world.

Our location in the galaxy is incredible: Very narrow, tiny. Compared to the galaxy, we live in a force field

Let's say it doesn't get bombarded. What then?

Given a large enough field of chance then everything that can happen will happen.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

however, the transition from microbes to complex life is incredible to consider

No, it's not.

Are you by any chance a Creationist?

 

[Christian Klippel]

Lone, the universe doesnt care if people say life has to exist elsewhere.

It doesn't care about some 18 year old bloke's unfounded assertion that there is no life elsewhere either.

I might have been a little heated when starting the topic. The truth is: I do think that microbes are likely to exist, however, the transition from microbes to complex life is incredible to consider

So you are now telling us that here on earth all complex life was just there, no evolution happened from simple life to more and more complex life?

Methinks that statement could out you as one of these whacko ID proponents.

Anyways, have some links handy that back up your weird assertions and bold statements? Or anything that could back it up? And some "my teacher said so" just doesn't cut it.

 

[tsig]

Lone, the universe doesnt care if people say life has to exist elsewhere.

I might have been a little heated when starting the topic. The truth is: I do think that microbes are likely to exist, however, the transition from microbes to complex life is incredible to consider

Then how did it happen here?

 

[Christian Klippel]

When i asked my biology teacher if life existed out there, he said that it was silly for people to even CONSIDER advanced life possible

If he really said that you should consider to go to a different school, because it seems you wouldn't learn much useful stuff there, at least not in biology. Arguments from ignorance are nothing that a teacher should give, imho.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

I have read Jack Cohens "Evolving the alien" , which was an excuse to fantasize about imaginary scenarios, rather than ward and browlee's research. The book was a joke. Why wouldnt life be based on carbon? Its far more common than silicon.

At best, you're arguing here that silicon-based life is rarer than carbon-based life. You said we are unique.

Lets say life starts elsewhere, then a year later, its bombarded with flares and gamma rays. Then, its an inhospitable world.

Our location in the galaxy is incredible: Very narrow, tiny. Compared to the galaxy, we live in a force field

Even if your assumptions here are correct (that the particulars of the Earth are the ONLY way to survive the perils of radiation), what makes you think there are no other very tiny places that are like the Earth's "force field"?

In a great big place, there are LOTS of tiny places.

In fact, the assumptions made are based on extremely limited knowledge. That you can't imagine other situations or other ways of surviving radiation doesn't prove they don't exist.

What about a thicker atmosphere to protect from higher levels of radiation in denser parts of the galaxy? What about life below the surface--in oceans or subterranean spaces? What about life itself adapted to higher levels of radiation* (some sort of biological shielding or maybe better repair mechanisms)? How do you know none of these are possible?

*ETA: Or even life that thrives on higher levels of radiation? It is a form of energy, after all.