Freed Gitmo Detainee Rejoins Al-Qaeda, Attacks US

The Fool said:
Mamdouh Habib, an Australian citizen released from Gitmo....not captured in a battlefield.
Are you lying or are you uninformed?
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I stated that some like KSM were picked up in Pakistan but it appears that the Australian government does not see him as the an innocent bystander:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamdouh_Habib

Australian governmant authorities alleged that Habib was in Afghanistan, and that while there he took an advanced al-Qaeda training course in a camp near Kabul. It's claimed the course included surveillance and photographing facilities, the establishment and use of safe houses, covert travel and writing secret reports. Australian authorities say that several other men who took part in the course identified Habib as having been there. Evidence to support these claims has not been made public[4].

In an interview with the Australian ABC Habib refused to confirm whether he was in Afghanistan.[5]

A special plane was chartered by the Australian government (for approximately $500,000) to fly Habib home because the US would not allow him to travel on an ordinary commercial flight.[14] Habib was released by the US Military and returned to Australia on 28 January 2005. With Habib back home, Australian officials have revoked his passport, say he remains under suspicion, and warn his activities will be constantly monitored to ensure he does not become a security threat. He has not been charged and remains relatively free.
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I should note that Bush released this guy...

Regardless I hope this isn't to be used as some kind of justification to never let anybody captured go. I should note that last I read, most of the people at Gitmo were not terrorists.
 
INRM said:
I should note that Bush released this guy...

Regardless I hope this isn't to be used as some kind of justification to never let anybody captured go. I should note that last I read, most of the people at Gitmo were not terrorists.
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Yes he released him but it was only done kicking and screaming. As to "terrorists" only those facing criminal trials are "terrorists" the rest are captured illegal combatants. There is a very large distinction.
 
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fishbob said:
Shoulda followed due process.
Then he might not be out. Or he might not be so vindictive now that he is out.
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Yeah the devil(bush)made him do it. As stated last night you appear to support some odd people.
 
Texas said:
Yeah the devil(bush)made him do it. As stated last night you appear to support some odd people.
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No one supports this terrorist. We need to make sure we do not become terrorists ourselves, otherwise our cause is lost.
 
Rika said:
Because upholding our ideals is sophomoric?
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Because this is the real world not a dorm room circle jerk. Our "ideals" are and have been up to now to defeat our enemies by any means necessary. Anything else is just pseudo-intellectual self gratification.
 
Texas said:
Because this is the real world not a dorm room circle jerk. Our "ideals" are and have been up to now to defeat our enemies by any means necessary. Anything else is just pseudo-intellectual self gratification.
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Seems a bit dishonest to assume that "closing Gitmo" means that all of the people there will just go free, tra la.
 
jj said:
Seems a bit dishonest to assume that "closing Gitmo" means that all of the people there will just go free, tra la.
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They won't all go free if Obama has any sense at all and I think he does. However; he should have had a firm plan on what and where they would go before rushing for a photo op. You can already hear many in congress saying "not in my back yard" and no countries are stepping up to take them.
 
Kthulhut Fhtagn said:
I'm not accusing Bush of it. Merely asking those who seem to be in favor of detaining many of these individuals indefinitely if they are in favor of locking accused murderers up indefinitely without evidence.
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No.

There are no detainees held on the basis of a "no evidence" test. The basis for the combatant test and always has been "reasonable belief" which cannot be attained sans evidence. The legal argument (as opposed to the political one) has always revolved around what level of evidence constitutes reasonable (see Hamdi) and who gets to hold the scales. Of course, the capture and detention of enemy combatants cannot be compared in any way with civilian criminal defendants without turing back to a very ugly (and increasingly forgotten, it seems to me) page in the history of warfare.

To repeat something that has been pointed out many times on this board, applying the rules of criminal law to combatants would be a grave war crime under the LOAC.
 
Cylinder said:
To repeat something that has been pointed out many times on this board, applying the rules of criminal law to combatants would be a grave war crime under the LOAC.
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What about the non-combatants..
 
Texas said:
They won't all go free if Obama has any sense at all and I think he does. However; he should have had a firm plan on what and where they would go before rushing for a photo op. You can already hear many in congress saying "not in my back yard" and no countries are stepping up to take them.
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If years of these innocent men's lives hadn't already been wasted with no progress, he would not have to be in such a rush...
 
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