alien life possibility is pathetic

[makaya325]

Lone, we should have found an alien species by now. Why would they stay home? Dont give the bs excuses such as: we are their pets, we are to unimportant, long distance, etc. all excuses for the absense of evidence

 

[Lonewulf]

Lone, we should have found an alien species by now. Why would they stay home? Dont give the bs excuses such as: we are their pets, we are to unimportant, long distance, etc. all excuses for the absense of evidence

"Why should they stay home? By the way, don't give me any answers that actually would explain why, I'm just asking to practice argumentative masturbationkthxbye*".

There are several answers to Fermi's Paradox. Several were in the link I sent you. I see you aren't bothering to educate yourself.

Heal thyself, Physician.




*Definition of argumentative masturbation: Asking a question or making an argument that attempts to cut the opponent from being able to make any kind of actual argument in response, even if this relies on fallacious and outright false presumptions, and ignores key points of data.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Lone, we should have found an alien species by now. Why would they stay home? Dont give the bs excuses such as: we are their pets, we are to unimportant, long distance, etc. all excuses for the absense of evidence

Like Bigfoot?

 

[Robert Oz]

Desert, why am i a troll? Because you cant deal with the real possibility of et life being fantasy? Where are they? Shouldnt they have visited earth by now?

Oh, dear.

By the same token, because we haven't reached every corner of the universe, we musn't exist.

Where are we? Shouldn't we have reached Alpha Centauri by now?

 

[Hitch]

Oh, dear.

By the same token, because we haven't reached every corner of the universe, we musn't exist.

Where are we? Shouldn't we have reached Alpha Centauri by now?

I don't know about Alpha Centauri, but my flying car and robot maid better show up pretty soon.

 

[Lonewulf]

Not to mention that all planets would not carry all resources equally. It's highly possible for a planet to not carry critical resources needed for space flight and high technology, yet still be able to support complex life.

 

[kitakaze]

Lone, we should have found an alien species by now.

We have evidence for the visitation of aliens to Earth. It is the same quality of the evidence you argue for Bigfoot.

 

[Hitch]

Not to mention that all planets would not carry all resources equally. It's highly possible for a planet to not carry critical resources needed for space flight and high technology, yet still be able to support complex life.

Like Earth suffers from a severe shortage of Dilithium Crystals.

 

[Roboramma]

Not to mention that all planets would not carry all resources equally. It's highly possible for a planet to not carry critical resources needed for space flight and high technology, yet still be able to support complex life.

Yeah, but that doesn't support mayaka's point, so you it's clearly wrong, as the majority of scientists and 90% of JREF forum members know.

 

[Roboramma]

Lone, we should have found an alien species by now. Why would they stay home? Dont give the bs excuses such as: we are their pets, we are to unimportant, long distance, etc. all excuses for the absense of evidence

Yeah, I mean what kind of bacteria are they, anyway? They can't even build interstellar space-ships! Completely unworthy of the name microbe.

I was thinking something similar of my dog the other day: how can I respect it, and it's entire species, when they've never been to the moon? Makes me wonder if they're even alive.

 

[The Man]

Lone, we should have found an alien species by now. Why would they stay home? Dont give the bs excuses such as: we are their pets, we are to unimportant, long distance, etc. all excuses for the absense of evidence

Certain sociological structures are given to isolationism. Our own history demonstrates this, so not everyone wants to be found. The “L” factor in Fermi’s equation is directly related to this, not the time that a society exists but only the time that it sends out detectable signs. As such, the possibility exists that some advanced societies could deliberately not give such signs based on their desire to remain isolated, just a possibility based on our uncertainty of knowledge and the certainties of our own history.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Lone, we should have found an alien species by now. Why would they stay home? Dont give the bs excuses such as: we are their pets, we are to unimportant, long distance, etc. all excuses for the absense of evidence

You're making less and less sense as you crash and burn here.

Why do you consider great distances to be a "bs excuse"? Do you not believe there are great distances in the universe? Doesn't this argument depend on the assumption that ftl or at least near-lightspeed travel is possible?

Interstellar travel could be something that takes an incredibly long time to achieve (if it's practically possible at all). Technological civilizations might not last long enough to achieve. Or it might not ever be a sane economic choice to invest the kind of resources it might take. It could be that all the space travel goes on nearer the galactic core, and no one is interested in us out in the sticks.

Or it could have happened, and someone came through our solar system and missed us by a mere million years or so--an eyeblink in geological time, but less than the shadow of an eyeblink in astronomical time.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Desert, why am i a troll?

I actually agree with you here, makaya. Not a troll.

A troll makes posts just to get a rise out of people and doesn't try to engage in discussion. Makaya is trying, but is just seriously wrong.

Being wrong isn't the same as being a troll.

 

[Hawk one]

Makaya, are you shifting goal posts or are you adjusting your stance? I hope the latter.

From your OP:



Bolding mine.

I'm still wondering why makaya isn't responding to the evidence of him incredibly clearly moving the goalposts.

Makaya, why are you moving the goalposts, as demonstrated by Bell? And why aren't you admitting it and apologising for it?

 

[tsig]

You're making less and less sense as you crash and burn here.

Why do you consider great distances to be a "bs excuse"? Do you not believe there are great distances in the universe? Doesn't this argument depend on the assumption that ftl or at least near-lightspeed travel is possible?

Interstellar travel could be something that takes an incredibly long time to achieve (if it's practically possible at all). Technological civilizations might not last long enough to achieve. Or it might not ever be a sane economic choice to invest the kind of resources it might take. It could be that all the space travel goes on nearer the galactic core, and no one is interested in us out in the sticks.

Or it could have happened, and someone came through our solar system and missed us by a mere million years or so--an eyeblink in geological time, but less than the shadow of an eyeblink in astronomical time.

Actually there are interstellar predators that sense radio waves and then hone in and mentally eat the intelligence of the unfortunate race that sent them. Even now they may be coming.

Yes, something evil this way comes.

 

[JohnG]

Douglas Adams: Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the drug store, but that's just peanuts to space.

Drug store?? Bloody Yank!

Makaya is a troll.
He/she/it is prodding people in at least 3 bigfoot threads and now he's started this one.
You'll never get more than "Yes, but..." answers of 1 or 2 sentences max from him/her/it.

In all fairness to him, how else can you rack up an impressive average of 28 posts a day?

Aep, scientists have a pretty good understanding of how big the universe is: 13.7 billion lights years. Theres nothing beyond that, nothing outside the universe, just space devoid of life

I have to admit to my eyes glazing over through certain portions of this thread. Did makaya325 ever get around to realizing and admitting how wrong the idea of an "outside" to the universe is?

I don't know about Alpha Centauri, but my flying car and robot maid better show up pretty soon.

Hell, I'd settle for a flying maid and robot car.

Never mind all the talk about the scarcity of alien life, I still can't get over makaya325's assertion that the Earth's oceans are 100% explored.

I don't like to end on such a negative note, so in the interests of keeping things friendly, I'd like to say that I too like makaya's bigfoot sig.

 

[The Man]

Actually there are interstellar predators that sense radio waves and then hone in and mentally eat the intelligence of the unfortunate race that sent them. Even now they may be coming.

Yes, something evil this way comes.

If you doubt the existence of such predators, their pets sense those doubts and feed upon the brains of such skeptics. Better to be certain and not doubt anything regardless of the evidence, lest your brain be eaten.

“By the pricking of my thumbs something wicked this way comes”


ETA:

“Pathetic earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void, without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe, anything at all, you would've hidden from it in terror.”

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Drug store?? Bloody Yank!

Don't blame me. Adams is from your side of the pond.

Lone, we should have found an alien species by now. Why would they stay home? Dont give the bs excuses such as: we are their pets, we are to unimportant, long distance, etc. all excuses for the absense of evidence

We've stayed home. This means either

a) we're not intelligent (yes, I threw it out there. Go ahead, someone hit it over the fence)
b) we don't exist
c) your logic is incorrect.

So tell me, which do you think it is? Or is there another possibility I'm missing as to why we haven't spread throughout the galaxy yet?

 

[Christian Klippel]

We've stayed home. This means either

a) we're not intelligent (yes, I threw it out there. Go ahead, someone hit it over the fence)
b) we don't exist
c) your logic is incorrect.

So tell me, which do you think it is? Or is there another possibility I'm missing as to why we haven't spread throughout the galaxy yet?

Hey NobbyNobbs,

it's obviously

d) the dog ate the construction plans for the Heart Of Gold, so we have to start from scratch

Greetings,

Chris

 

[JohnG]

Don't blame me. Adams is from your side of the pond.

I'm an American. Douglas Adams was English.

My point is that in the original radio series, book, TV series, etc. the relevant part of the quote is "I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space".

They don't call me a Pedantic Bore for nothing, you know.