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Gaza Ops Concluded -- IDF Ceases Fire

webfusion

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Everyone has been clamoring for Israel to stop Operation Cast Lead and declare a cease-fire.

So, that's exactly what the IDF has done, as of 2 a.m. local time.

Now what?
 
webfusion said:
Everyone has been clamoring for Israel to stop Operation Cast Lead and declare a cease-fire.

So, that's exactly what the IDF has done, as of 2 a.m. local time.

Now what?
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I guess that it's back to the blockade, slowly starving Gava and preventing the Palestinians from building a functioning state.
It looks like there is no way out of this for the Palestinians, if they try to fight they will be crushed by the IDF, if they try to be peaceful it will take time to persuade Israel of their good faith (and that's assuming that Israel will like whatever government they come up with enough to give them a chance) and until then they will starve.
 
Sure but the Palestinian people are the real winners here. Hamas has done well for them.
 
pvicente said:
I guess that it's back to the blockade, slowly starving Gava and preventing the Palestinians from building a functioning state.
It looks like there is no way out of this for the Palestinians, if they try to fight they will be crushed by the IDF, if they try to be peaceful it will take time to persuade Israel of their good faith (and that's assuming that Israel will like whatever government they come up with enough to give them a chance) and until then they will starve.
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Certainly they've never tried the latter, have they?
 
webfusion said:
Everyone has been clamoring for Israel to stop Operation Cast Lead and declare a cease-fire.

So, that's exactly what the IDF has done, as of 2 a.m. local time.

Now what?
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Hamas have not agreed to the cease-fire and their leaders are after more blood-shed:

Hamas: Resistance will continue

Gilad Shalit is not part of any visible negotiations although there may be talks which we are not aware of (I doubt it).

European leaders to help stop Gaza smuggling - really? I don't see that happening. How many here believe the U.N. will fire on Hamas terrorists trying to smuggle weaponry into Gaza? I doubt it.

Webfusion, you ask now what?
The answer is unfortunately nobody knows.
 
I guess that it's back to the blockade, slowly starving Gava and preventing the Palestinians from building a functioning state.
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No, it's the Hamas and PLO's "Destroy Israel / kill the Jews" ideology and currupt, cynical "steal everything you can, leave the masses in poverty, blame the Jews" leadership that is preventing THAT. Previously to that it was the Arab world's similar view and practices.

That's why the Palestinians don't have a functioning state since 1936, 1948, 1967, the 1970s, 2001, and 2005. To name a few dates.

Whatever makes you think a "functioning Palestinian state" will "function" in anything else except killing Jews and terrorist attacks?
 
Skeptic said:
No, it's the Hamas and PLO's "Destroy Israel / kill the Jews" ideology and currupt, cynical "steal everything you can, leave the masses in poverty, blame the Jews" leadership that is preventing THAT. Previously to that it was the Arab world's similar view and practices.

That's why the Palestinians don't have a functioning state since 1936, 1948, 1967, the 1970s, 2001, and 2005. To name a few dates.

Whatever makes you think a "functioning Palestinian state" will "function" in anything else except killing Jews and terrorist attacks?
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May I ask how you are able to determine how a Palestinian John Doe thinks and feels about the unfair world being built directly around him?

Don't you agree that the reason for Hamas success is based on the lack of alternatives to Israel's pressure upon the Palestinians in Gaza? - And if not, what would you do as a Palestinian within Gaza? :confused:
 
webfusion said:
Everyone has been clamoring for Israel to stop Operation Cast Lead and declare a cease-fire.

So, that's exactly what the IDF has done, as of 2 a.m. local time.

Now what?
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My guess is a resumption of the assault as soon as Hamas does something stupid, which probably won't be long.
 
Skeptic said:
No, it's the Hamas and PLO's "Destroy Israel / kill the Jews" ideology and currupt, cynical "steal everything you can, leave the masses in poverty, blame the Jews" leadership that is preventing THAT. Previously to that it was the Arab world's similar view and practices.

That's why the Palestinians don't have a functioning state since 1936, 1948, 1967, the 1970s, 2001, and 2005. To name a few dates.

Whatever makes you think a "functioning Palestinian state" will "function" in anything else except killing Jews and terrorist attacks?
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Well, I've got this crazy idea that the average Palestinian might be a person like you and me, capable of living peacefully with his neighbors if he is given a chance.
If any Palestinian state must exist to kill Jews as you say, then why haven't we heard about attacks from the West Bank?
 
Announcement in Cairo

WildCat said:
My guess is a resumption of the assault as soon as Hamas does something stupid, which probably won't be long.
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"Hamas and the factions announce a ceasefire in Gaza starting immediately and give Israel a week to withdraw," said Ayman Taha (in Cairo).
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056490.html
A leader of the militant Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip on Sunday said his group had also agreed to stop attacks on Israelis for a period of one week, following Israel's declaration of the unilateral cease-fire.

Hours before these announcements were made, salvos of rockets & mortars were launched at Israel on Saturday and Sunday. Israel Air Force aircraft attacked those rocket launchers in Gaza.
"We hit a launcher that had fired rockets into Israel," an IDF spokesman said.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056448.html

There were also sporadic exchanges of fire in Gaza reported during Sunday, as the IDF defended its positions against various Jihadists who used mortars and were shooting at them. The Israeli troops returned fire and hit the group of gunmen, the army said, while directing artillery and aircraft to strike back. An IDF spokesman said that the troops responded according to the rules of engagement, and vowed that any assault on soldiers in Gaza would meet with a harsh response.

Things are fragile. Very fragile.

This photo was snapped earlier today at the Gaza-Israel border --- it is quite impressive.
(sorry mods, for violating Rule 4, but this was just too good)

(AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)
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webfusion said:
Everyone has been clamoring for Israel to stop Operation Cast Lead and declare a cease-fire.

So, that's exactly what the IDF has done, as of 2 a.m. local time.

Now what?
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I guess it's back to where things were: how to maintain a ceasefire.

Maybe I should just put this in my sig:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1048931.html

In Zakai’s view, Israel’s central error during the tahadiyeh, the six-month period of relative truce that formally ended on Friday, was failing to take advantage of the calm to improve, rather than markedly worsen, the economic plight of the Palestinians of the Strip.

[...] “We could have eased the siege over the Gaza Strip, in such a way that the Palestinians, Hamas, would understand that holding their fire served their interests. But when you create a tahadiyeh, and the economic pressure on the Strip continues, it’s obvious that Hamas will try to reach an improved tahadiyeh, and that their way to achieve this, is resumed Qassam fire.
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This photo was snapped earlier today at the Gaza-Israel border --- it is quite impressive.
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I like rainbows.
 
FireGarden said:
I guess it's back to where things were: how to maintain a ceasefire.

Maybe I should just put this in my sig:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1048931.html
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Or this article from today's Haaretz: "Israel is good at using sticks, but its carrot approach needs work":
There will never be a way out of this conflict until we offer the Palestinians some carrots: hope and belief. The sheer despair and hopelessness of many well-meaning Palestinians, in both Gaza and the West Bank, bodes ill for anyone who cares about Middle East peace. They just don't believe it's possible any more.
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WildCat said:
My guess is a resumption of the assault as soon as Hamas does something stupid, which probably won't be long.
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Doubtful. First another major operation before the next election would not look good. Secondly Isreal is still working on figureing out obama.
 
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