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US Airway plane crashes into the Hudson River

leftysergeant said:
Ironicly, this incident kind of up-staged Bush's last big chance to run the news cycle for the day. For eight years, people have been living in fear while government officials have tried to tell them that they were safe as long as an authoritarian systewm of public safety was in place. We NEEDED protection.

And ordinary citizens and well-trained unionized workers did what needed to be done.

And about the mandatory retirement age for airline pilots?

Dude's 57 years old and still seems to know what he is doing. Thje airlines think he is worthless in another five years.

Let's re-evaluate this a bit. Remember the man who pulled off that crash landing at Souix Falls a few years back.
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Couldn't resist turning the skill and preparation of the Pilot and crew into a Bush Bash, could you?
Welcome to ignore..
 
leftysergeant said:
Ironicly, this incident kind of up-staged Bush's last big chance to run the news cycle for the day. For eight years, people have been living in fear while government officials have tried to tell them that they were safe as long as an authoritarian systewm of public safety was in place. We NEEDED protection.

And ordinary citizens and well-trained unionized workers did what needed to be done.

And about the mandatory retirement age for airline pilots?

Dude's 57 years old and still seems to know what he is doing. Thje airlines think he is worthless in another five years.

Let's re-evaluate this a bit. Remember the man who pulled off that crash landing at Souix Falls a few years back.
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Come on mate, get real.

This pilot did a great job, for goodness sake stop making this a political issue. Just drop it.
 
The common thread I heard from the passengers was that there really wasn't any panic. Everyone lined up to get off the plane and helped each other out. There was a little panic once on the wing, but not a lot.

However, there was one man on the plane that reported that there was panic and after the plane settled into the watter he ran to the back to get out, water came up to his neck, and he proceeded to remove all his clothing, except his underwear, so as not to get weighed down while swimming. Of course, as soon as he got out of the door of the plane, he was able to step right into a rescue boat and he had to take clothing offered to him by other, very cold, passengers. Me thinks it was he who panicked.
 
Bell said:
There has been a crash in the US (I don't remember where or which airliner) where, on a jet taking off, the engine broke off and did flip over the wing. I can't remember if this was due to engine's trust though.
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Something similar-with a much happier outcome- happened to our Vermont CAP Wing Commander some years ago. He was a commercial pilot...can't recall the airline...and departing Pittsburgh in a DC-9 when there was a loud noise, the plane shook, the right engine throttle went to shut off position and numerous alarms began sounding. He declared an emergency, started a go round back toward the airport and asked the first officer to go back to the rear of the cabin and see what damage there was to the engine. The first officer came back rather quickly and informed him that they'd lost an engine. When the Captain said that he knew the engine had quit, he was informed, "No, we LOST an engine...it's gone!"
They were very lucky- the engine had simply dropped off with no damage to the plane, and they made a safe landing. AA-191 flipped over and crashed almost instantly.
 
Sunstealer said:
It's amazing how many comments on news sites that I have seen, whereby the people adding their comments (or rather ignorant postings) claim that a flock of birds cannot cause engines to malfunction (flame-out) and therefore there is something odd about the whole thing - que conspiracy.
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I recall, many years ago, having a look at a 747 that lost an engine (#3 IIRC) to a bird strike. Once the bird was ingested, it chipped the fan and compressor blades and the resulting little bits of metal were spewed all the way through the engine to the turbines. Once these bits hit the turbines, the turbine blades fragmented, separated, and punched holes through the aft cowlings and the wing!

It was quite an impressive amount of damage and they concluded that it could be attributed to the ingestion of only one big bird!
 
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The only thing that bothers me about this story is that the TV keeps calling it a "Miracle"

Can't they give full credit where due??
 
stateofgrace said:
I don’t know if this as already been posted, if it as,sorry.

From the BBC website.

The moment plane dived into Hudson
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Good one, at least the last couple of seconds of aquaplaning are seen. Also, looks like it's continuous shooting. If so, everybody reacted very quicky, perhaps within the first minute the majority of passangers had left the plane and ferries already arrived to help out.

It's also possible to make out a person walking on the left wing, possibly to make room for the rest of people. Cool vid.
 
I wonder if the pilot had enough time to dump his fuel (not much need for it if you think for a moment), as he was basically flying dead-stick with full take-off weight --- not the best thing when in need of a good glide ratio.

Hat's off to all involved --- captain, crew, rescue workers and passengers.

Just goes to show how things can work out when all do the right thing.
 
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Oh, and for all those that are using the M-word (in the media) ... I think it shows only once again what people resort to when they cannot fully understand or appreciate the way reality works.
 
The word on the street is the geese were trained by al-quaeda. They have squadrons of suicide geese just lined up and ready to honk.

This supposes that it was geese and not fly-by-wire UFO's operated by the NWO.

I can't believe it's been nearly two days without a single CT about this.
The whole thing was staged by George Bush to create a happy ending.
Or Obama.

Dammit there are so many of them!

Seriously- all kudos to the flight deck crew, but the cabin staff must have done everything right too- and the passengers seem to have done a fair job as well.

Humans. Pretty damn good when they try.
 
thatguywhojuggles said:
The only thing that bothers me about this story is that the TV keeps calling it a "Miracle"
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Reference miracles, wouldn't a "miracle" of keeping a flock of birds from being in the same place and time as an ascending aircraft be a little more doable than dumping a jetliner in a river and having everyone survive with only a few relatively minor injuries?

The big guy's certainly one for dramatics isn't he???
 
Soapy Sam said:
The word on the street is the geese were trained by al-quaeda. They have squadrons of suicide geese just lined up and ready to honk.
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Fanatical, terrorist geese from Canada? Kinda makes you wonder why those nasty Canadians have a picture of a large, menacing looking duck on their dollar coins doesn't it?

OTOH, a jet engine ingesting a bird is only the half of the problem from what I heard. It was explained to me that ducks and geese swallow small stones to aid with their digestion. Apparently, it's whats in the birds' stomaches that contribute significantly to the engine damage sustained in a bird strike. Rocks and fast spinning turbine rotor blades seem to be a bad combo.

Anyhow, I've also seen photos where a goose had completely punched a hole the size of a basket ball through the wing's leading edge of a military jet training aircraft. Not so much a danger with pressurized aircraft as, as I understand it, commercial airliners purposely over pressurize the cabin on take-off to mitigate the possible structural damage to the fuselage due to bird strike.

I guess that's just the price we have to pay. Birds were flying millions of years before man and the little buggers are not going to let us forget it...
 
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Autolite said:
Fanatical, terrorist geese from Canada? Kinda makes you wonder why those nasty Canadians have a picture of a large, menacing looking duck on their dollar coins doesn't it?
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That's nothing. You should see our nuclear-armed moose! Uh, wait, forget I said that...
 
I was just reading that, surprisingly, this isn't even an aviation first to safely land a passenger plane in the river in the middle of a city and all survive.

A Tupolev 124 with 52 onboard ditched in the Neva River in the middle of what was then Leningrad in 1963. It also scared construction workers off a bridge it just missed.

It was then towed to shore with all safe and well and still inside the plane, where the passengers then calmly got out, retrieved their luggage and got on a bus to the airport. That's all kinds of awesome right there. :D
 
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Just thinking said:
I wonder if the pilot had enough time to dump his fuel (not much need for it if you think for a moment), as he was basically flying dead-stick with full take-off weight --- not the best thing when in need of a good glide ratio.
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It really isn't a good idea to jettison fuel over a heavily=popu;ated area at low altitudes. At cruising alittude, it gets pretty well dispersed. A little over roof-top level, it could still reach the ground in sufficient concentration to present fire and explosion risk, not to mention massive poisoning to anyone under the spray pattern.

He was, obviously, going to have to try for a water landing. Fuel is still a bit bouyant and would escape from the fuel cells more slowly than air if there was a rupture. There is also a greater risk of explosion if an empty fuel cell is ruptured in a non-water crash landing.

He probably wouldn't have been able to spare the time to work whatever controls he needed to operate, if he had thought of it. He had his hands full just steering that sucker.
 
stateofgrace said:
This pilot did a great job, for goodness sake stop making this a political issue. Just drop it.
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Sorry, but it just seems fitting that, given the union-busting and out-sourcing of jobs, including aircraft maintenance, that has occurred under Bush, on the day of his last hurrah, working class heroes showed the world who really makes this country work at its best.

(It aint the investor class.)
 
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