Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[Mashuna]

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What post was I asked what evidence would I need to proven that another religion is true? As you can see I gave a highly detailed and lengthy response to the question what evidence would I need to be proven Christianity is false.

I see Doc. I now understand that your belief is based on gullibility, poor logic and ignorance of science. Thank you for confirming this in one easy to read post.

 

[DOC]

To which words, in particular, do you refer?

Well Evander Holyfield is big on the verse "I can do all things through Christ who strenghtens me". I would say there is power in those words because they helped him defeat Mike Tyson twice. The second time was after he had a doctor treated heart condition. He claimed he was healed of his heart condition at a Benny Hilnn crusade. He then went on to defeat Tyson a second time.

Beating Mike Tyson after having being diagnosed with a heart condition -- well there is some kind of power going on there.

 

[paximperium]

Well Evander Holyfield is big on the verse "I can do all things through Christ who strenghtens me". I would say there is power in those words because they helped him defeat Mike Tyson twice. The second time was after he had a doctor treated heart condition. He claimed he was healed of his heart condition at a Benny Hilnn crusade. He then went on to defeat Tyson a second time.

What heart condition and what's it's prognosis without treatment?

Beating Mike Tyson after having being diagnosed with a heart condition -- well there is some kind of power going on there.

Winning the Tour de France multiple time after being treated with metastatic testicular cancer. Well there is some kind of power going on there.

Oh wait...Lance Armstrong is a godless atheists, nevermind.

 

[DOC]

I see Doc. I now understand that your belief is based on gullibility, poor logic and ignorance of science. Thank you for confirming this in one easy to read post.

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Be honest, did you know all the matter (physical material) in the universe's 100 billion galaxies "including all the space also" came from something smaller than one atom according to modern science, before I posted it? And if you did do you understand how it became our present universe?

 

[KarlG]

Well Evander Holyfield is big on the verse "I can do all things through Christ who strenghtens me". I would say there is power in those words because they helped him defeat Mike Tyson twice. The second time was after he had a doctor treated heart condition. He claimed he was healed of his heart condition at a Benny Hilnn crusade. He then went on to defeat Tyson a second time.

Beating Mike Tyson after having being diagnosed with a heart condition -- well there is some kind of power going on there.

Surely all that proves is that someone who gets hit in the head for a living can believe some pretty strange things?

 

[paximperium]

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Be honest, did you know all the matter in the universe's 100 billion galaxies "including all the space also" came from something smaller than one atom according to modern science, before I posted it? And if you did do you understand how it became our present universe?

And how is that relevant to YOUR ignorance?

You do love your Tu Quoque fallacies don't you?
DOC: "Uh hurgh, me ignorant but you ignorant too...uh hurgh."

Notice how he never answers any questions but attempts to weasel away by throwing out irrelevant garbage as a smoke screen to obscure his blatant pride and ignorance.

 

[Mashuna]

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Be honest, did you know all the matter (physical material) in the universe's 100 billion galaxies "including all the space also" came from something smaller than one atom according to modern science, before I posted it? And if you did do you understand how it became our present universe?

Well, it's not the only ignorance of science you've shown, and we've had this question before.

Yes, I did know that. It's common knowledge. It's taught in schools at a fairly elementary level. How did you not know it before?

 

[DOC]

1. The growth was not that spectacular. It appears to be similar to the current growth of the Mormon church. ?

Yes, but the current Mormon missionaries don't have to worry about being nailed to a cross, being stoned to death, or being martyred like 11 of the apostles. They also have a well financed and organized church supporting them.

 

[wollery]

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Be honest, did you know all the matter (physical material) in the universe's 100 billion galaxies "including all the space also" came from something smaller than one atom according to modern science, before I posted it? And if you did do you understand how it became our present universe?

I did, but from your posts on the subject you clearly didn't understand any of the actual physics behind it.

 

[Ichneumonwasp]

Yes, but the current Mormon missionaries don't have to worry about being nailed to a cross, being stoned to death, or being martyred like 11 of the apostles. They also have a well financed and organized church supporting them.

Surely you know something of the early history of the Mormon church? Why they moved from New York to Nauvoo? Why they left Nauvoo and travelled to Utah?

For most of the history of the early Christian movement persecutions were not prominent. Early, there were clear persecutions from the Judean Hebrews, and there was some opposition from the gentile pagans in Greece and Asia Minor (which sounds from Paul's letters more like family issues of "you believe what?"). The earliest Roman persecution was not an organized empire-wide affair, but a local issue in Rome itself. There were also local persecutions in Bythynia because of the political situation. Then came Diocletian who was thought to be a resurrected Nero. The persecutions in Gaul that Ireneaus reported and the presecutions in North Africa were all brief localized affairs.

You need to get out of your mind this wrong idea that Christians were uniformly persecuted and prevailed despite horrendous odds. The actual number of executions because of Christianity was fairly small, unless you can provide some evidence that scholars don't seem to have.

The evidence we do have suggests that the Roman church was also well organized and well -financed; and that it may have imposed its particular theology on many of the other churches.

I'm afraid that I don't understand the point of your "objection".

 

[Ichneumonwasp]

Well Evander Holyfield is big on the verse "I can do all things through Christ who strenghtens me". I would say there is power in those words because they helped him defeat Mike Tyson twice. The second time was after he had a doctor treated heart condition. He claimed he was healed of his heart condition at a Benny Hilnn crusade. He then went on to defeat Tyson a second time.

Beating Mike Tyson after having being diagnosed with a heart condition -- well there is some kind of power going on there.

You are not seriously suggesting that the Lord of the Universe gives power to a man trying to beat another man into a senseless bloody pulp?

I'm going to have to go back and see what that earlier discussion concerned if only to discover if this response had anything to do with the issue raised in the first place. I can tell you off the bat that it didn't, since you didn't actually quote any of Jesus' words, but only Evander Hollyfield's opinion of the supposed "power" of Christ to help him repeatedly pound another human being with his fists.

I'm just wondering, are we talking about the same Jesus?

ETA:

Since you brought it up, I would like to know a few other things. Why did Evander lose his last fight? Did Jesus abandon him? Do Ali's triumphs over Frazier prove that Allah rules the universe and give power to his believers? Why do any of these people bother to train, if it is the words of the Lord that determine the outcomes of boxing matches?

 

[joobz]

Well Evander Holyfield is big on the verse "I can do all things through Christ who strenghtens me". I would say there is power in those words because they helped him defeat Mike Tyson twice. The second time was after he had a doctor treated heart condition. He claimed he was healed of his heart condition at a Benny Hilnn crusade. He then went on to defeat Tyson a second time.

Beating Mike Tyson after having being diagnosed with a heart condition -- well there is some kind of power going on there.

So, you're telling me that God helped Holyfield beat the living snot out of Tyson but will let children die of cancer every day...


Your god is weird.

 

[joobz]

Yes, but the current Mormon missionaries don't have to worry about being nailed to a cross, being stoned to death, or being martyred like 11 of the apostles. They also have a well financed and organized church supporting them.

But, Mormon's don't have an Emperor building them churches, making mormonism the official religion, giving power to the mormon church, or establishing laws of christians over other religions.

 

[joobz]

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What post was I asked what evidence would I need to proven that another religion is true?
As you can see I gave a highly detailed and lengthy response to the question what evidence would I need to be proven Christianity is false.

Not believing in Christianity and believing in islam are two different things.
Remember that islam does believe that Jesus was a profit and died and was ressurected
so, looking at your list:

1) the amazing and original words of Christ himself --
2) the life changing power of the Gospel that gets people off drugs, turns peoples marriages around, and gives many people a reason to live and hope. I've seen countless testimonies on TV about this "real" life changing power.
3) the absurdity of the current unproven life from non-life scientific theory.
4) the absurdity of the current mainline scientific theory that all the 100 billion galaxies in the known universe (including all of its matter and space) came from something smaller than an atom and this happened by unintelligent random forces.
5) the fact that the cowardly apostles who wouldn't even attend Christ's crucifixion, or stay awake with him for one hour when he needed them, or who (like Peter) did things like denying Christ to a lone woman 3 times, suddenly became bold evangelists willing to lay down their lives (11 or 12 actually did) and travel all over the known world with great hardships to themself for their belief.
6)the unexplained empty tomb
7) the numerous fulfilled prophesies of the Old Testament.
8) the unparalleled growth by peaceful means in the brutal Roman empire with no modern transportation or communications.

None of this contradicts Islam.

9)my own personal peace, joy, and hope, obtained from Christianity.

Believing becuase you believe is not a reason.(e.g., you could be fooled by satan).


So, again, I ask you. What evidence would you need to believe in Islam vs. Christianity?

 

[Hokulele]

Well Evander Holyfield is big on the verse "I can do all things through Christ who strenghtens me". I would say there is power in those words because they helped him defeat Mike Tyson twice. The second time was after he had a doctor treated heart condition. He claimed he was healed of his heart condition at a Benny Hilnn crusade. He then went on to defeat Tyson a second time.

Beating Mike Tyson after having being diagnosed with a heart condition -- well there is some kind of power going on there.

What the hell?

Jesus is powerful enough to assist a well-trained athelete in performing in his sport, but not powerful enough to rescue 11 of 12 apostles from a gruesome death?

Not very consistent, is he?


Anyway, the last few off-topic posts by DOC (Holyfield and the return of the Big Bang) look like desperate evasions to address the fact that the OP has been fairly exhaustively rebutted.

 

[joobz]

Anyway, the last few off-topic posts by DOC (Holyfield and the return of the Big Bang) look like desperate evasions to address the fact that the OP has been fairly exhaustively rebutted.

Exactly.
Although, I contend that none of them contradict islam, either. So the question remains, What evidence would DOC need to Switch from Christianity to Islam?

 

[Mister Agenda]

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Be honest, did you know all the matter (physical material) in the universe's 100 billion galaxies "including all the space also" came from something smaller than one atom according to modern science, before I posted it? And if you did do you understand how it became our present universe?

If you read the newspapers you are likely to know the universe expanded from a tiny singularity, why are you continually surprised that other people know this? And why do you find it so incredible when, according to you, the universe was poofed from nothingness by a beginningless deity outside of time and space (sounds rather Lovecraftian to me)? Reading A Brief History of Time by Hawkings or any number of other accessible books and articles gives a general understanding of how it became our present universe, with the exception of what triggered the expansion and what was 'before' that.

 

[articulett]

Exactly.
Although, I contend that none of them contradict islam, either. So the question remains, What evidence would DOC need to Switch from Christianity to Islam?

That's my question...

Why wouldn't a believer is something be prepared to give us skeptics the exact same type of evidence he would need to believe something he currently fines woo-ish?

I think they must conclude that their evidence is good enough to convince them, so it must be good evidence; they never seem to think what sort of evidence they would need to find some similar belief valid that they currently dismiss.

 

[Mister Agenda]

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What post was I asked what evidence would I need to proven that another religion is true? As you can see I gave a highly detailed and lengthy response to the question what evidence would I need to be proven Christianity is false.

1. This one is particularly weird. Jefferson left the resurrection and other miracles out of his bible because he regarded them as nonsense, yet you regard the fact that he kept found a small portion of the NT worth keeping as evidence FOR your religion?

2. The Mormons and Scientologists can claim similar results.

3/4. If you don't accept scientific evidence you may as well say nothing could possibly convince you because your faith is independent of reason. St. Augustine saw the danger of placing scripture over science, too bad you can't.

5. This one is just a failure to be educated. History and myth are full of such stories, Christianity is hardly unique in this respect.

6. There are plenty of explanations for the empty tomb. You just reject all of them merely because they are different from YOUR explanation.

7. I'm sure there's a thread on prophecy around here somewhere. How many unfulfilled prophesies do you need to give up Christianity? Why just the Old Testament? Are you unwilling to examine the one by Jesus that he would return during the lifetime of his followers?

8. Is there a term for arguing from failure of education? Christianity's growth is also not unique.

DOC, it is clear that you are unwilling to be persuaded you're wrong, no matter the evidence. It's okay to say so. Many people do. It's not okay, however, to pretend you accept Christianity based on evidence when no counter evidence is acceptable.

Evidence that would convince me that Jesus DID rise from the dead would be a resurrection under controlled conditions (to prevent fraud) by, say, a Christian faith healer.

 

[articulett]

Heck, I'd accept any evidence, that would be of the type to convince DOC that some other religion he doesn't accept is the truth.

What would it take to convince him that Scientology is "the truth"?

His case seems to be confirmation bias of the type all woos use to me.