xblade
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It looks to me like Patty has a string of beaver pelts tied around her leg the way the fir is flopping around.
The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty
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It looks to me like Patty has a string of beaver pelts tied around her leg the way the fir is flopping around.
Correa Neto
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OK, let's suppose there are in fact 73 planes missing at the PNW. Let's ignore that quite often planes are blown to tiny bits when they collide with mountains, let's also ignore the fact that steep rock cliffs whom served as tombstones for Cessnas are not suitable for "bigfeet we know it, Jeff".
Now, remember that a viable (for a short term) population of bigfeet will need at least 50 breeding specimens. And for the population to be viable, these breeding animals must be living at an area where their territories have some overlap - otherwise they'll never breed. So, we are not talking about tens of specimens scattered across the PNW. We are talking about populations composed by more than 50 specimens (remember that you should add non-breeding individuals such as littlefeet), each one of these populations living at each "cluster" of bigfeet sightings. We are actually talking about tens of 2.5m-high apes concentrated at some areas -many of which are actually not far away from human infrastructure (towns, roads, farms, mines, oil fields, etc.) not to mention human hunting grounds- without producing a single piece of reliable evidence.
Despite of this, no bigfoot remains, no bigfoot turds, no DNA, no clear imagery, no good tracks (only fake-looking, inconclusive or misinterpreted stuff). Only sightings, blurry pictures, hoaxes and lame excuses for the absence of evidence.
Now, with this put, where's the relevance of the 73 planes which are claimed to be missing to the case in point again?
BTW, Makaya, I seem to recall you saying you thought they are extinct. Am I wrong or you changed your mind? If the second option is true, may I ask you why?
Now, remember that a viable (for a short term) population of bigfeet will need at least 50 breeding specimens. And for the population to be viable, these breeding animals must be living at an area where their territories have some overlap - otherwise they'll never breed. So, we are not talking about tens of specimens scattered across the PNW. We are talking about populations composed by more than 50 specimens (remember that you should add non-breeding individuals such as littlefeet), each one of these populations living at each "cluster" of bigfeet sightings. We are actually talking about tens of 2.5m-high apes concentrated at some areas -many of which are actually not far away from human infrastructure (towns, roads, farms, mines, oil fields, etc.) not to mention human hunting grounds- without producing a single piece of reliable evidence.
Despite of this, no bigfoot remains, no bigfoot turds, no DNA, no clear imagery, no good tracks (only fake-looking, inconclusive or misinterpreted stuff). Only sightings, blurry pictures, hoaxes and lame excuses for the absence of evidence.
Now, with this put, where's the relevance of the 73 planes which are claimed to be missing to the case in point again?
BTW, Makaya, I seem to recall you saying you thought they are extinct. Am I wrong or you changed your mind? If the second option is true, may I ask you why?
kitakaze
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So Jeff got my pm and opened the PGF3. Just as a note, it has nothing to do with BF threads. All large threads will be split from now on so we might stop having a board sliding on peanut butter. That means the Native American thread is about to get a Mini Me as will this one in about 15 pages. The JREF has evolved and is no longer a land where giants such as the 411 PGF may roam.
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Why cant they be solitary? Isolated by tens of miles? Are you aware that a good number of reports come from low populated areas? Are you aware that turds and hair have been found to come from something man has yet to find? Was patty blurry? Due to the fact the pgf subject resembles something you cant mistake any animal for, you run for the hoax answer? Why not research the WHOLE story, not some story about ol'opal saw a suit in a car. Do you realize that when a plane crashes, it makes an explosion, no wait, 73 explosions that should attract attention INSTANTLY, since you claim 1000's are in the woods daily? Why does it take weeks to find a 30ft reflective object? Without the use of a dog, why was it hard to find fossets plane?
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kitakaze
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No one is saying it is impossible. What they do have to do is get in contact with eachother through all that separation to breed. They need to be able to locate eachother. If they are all separated by so much space then how do they ever find a mate and one that isn't closely related?
So what? How have these been verified better than others?
Show us some scat that isn't some crap Bigfoot enthusiast claim with crap research. Don't even bother with the same garbage as last time. Nobody is interested in horse dung.
Patty looks just like a guy in a bad suit. Masters of suit making confirm that. No primate has the ridiculous boobs Patty does. No animal has a giant hipwader line in their leg muscle like Patty does.
Oh, we look at the whole story quite well. Like here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4073133&postcount=20
It's usually the Bigfoot enthusiasts that want to ignore it.
Please provide evidence of how many planes are currently missing in the PNW. Also please abandon the remote fallacy as that is simply not the manner in which Bigfoot is reported and it's getting very tiresome watching you pull out crap footer logic.
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LONGTABBER PE
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>>>Why cant they be solitary? Isolated by tens of miles? Are you aware that a good number of reports come from low populated areas?
Not a case of "cant" but they need to hook up and breed and then theres the offspring so at sometime they would have to be groups. Most other mammals do this.
>>>Are you aware that turds and hair have been found to come from something man has yet to find?
No and i would like to see ONE such report that can be VALIDATED by legitimate means that shows hair,skin,scat or whatever comes from an UNKNOWN species
>>> Was patty blurry?
No, that was operator failure
>>>Due to the fact the pgf subject resembles something you cant mistake any animal for, you run for the hoax answer?
Theres a lot more to it than that
>>>Why not research the WHOLE story, not some story about ol'opal saw a suit in a car.
Its been done and its the 'whole story" that doesnt add up and actually gives the suit theory a good bit of horsepower. To use a footer tactic- wheres the "evidence" that the suit in a car is false? ( works both ways LOL)
>>>Do you realize that when a plane crashes, it makes an explosion, no wait, 73 explosions that should attract attention
Not always ( been around a few shot down in my day in combat) but in order to attract attention, there must be people within range to hear it or does a tree fall in the woods when nobody is there silent?
>>>INSTANTLY, since you claim 1000's are in the woods daily? Why does it take weeks to find a 30ft reflective object? Without the use of a dog, why was it hard to find fossets plane?
I can give you several reasons, the terrain, foliage, logistics of a search, breaking into small pieces, pieces getting covered/buried in dirt and bushes.
I know of one jet shot down in the GW I that hit the ground so hard it buried itself and that was in an open desert.
Our laboratory has thus far examined a number of suspected Sasquatch hairs. However, we were not the first to search for suspected Sasquatch hair specimens. John Green reported that in 1968 Wayne Twitchell found six hairs on a bush near Riggins, Idaho, near a reported sighting of two Sasquatch l5. The hair specimens were sent for analysis to Ray Pinker, an instructor of police science at California State College in Los Angeles. His study revealed that the hairs did not match specimens from any known animal species and that they had some characteristics common to both humans and non-humans. In his final report, Pinker stated that he could not identify the hairs until he had had an opportunity to examine some authentic Sasquatch hair specimens.
Mak,
Tell us about your laboratory and microscope (please, don’t leave anything out). We have all read Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science so there really is no need to quote the book, most here are all well aware of how bigfoot science works.
m
Tell us about your laboratory and microscope (please, don’t leave anything out). We have all read Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science so there really is no need to quote the book, most here are all well aware of how bigfoot science works.
m
My microscope is
http://www.opticsplanet.net/labal.html
Very powerful. Speaking of the microscopic world, does any one find tardigrades amazing?!
http://www.opticsplanet.net/labal.html
Very powerful. Speaking of the microscopic world, does any one find tardigrades amazing?!
Well I lived in a few places in B.C. and it is a beautiful place.
Prince Rupert was one of my favorite places there.
Also had to be flown into a few places. No road access and remote as
you could get. And yes sometimes you could swear their is no signs
of big wildlife. Took 2 days to see a big bear and that was a couple of brief encounters.
Sometimes you know they're there but you can't spot them.
You see tracks and scat. Coming across fresh scat of a bear is kind of
unsettling. And I have discovered a kill of a bear covered in brush, so we were
deep in it's domain. Rather fresh to, and only seen this animal a couple of
fleeting times. That was this area, but there are other areas in B.C during
the right time of year you'll see bears in abundance. feeding in the fall on salmon.
So one could easily imagine a Bigfoot could hide in some areas.
I cannot say, since the woods didn't reveal one to me it is impossible.
Nor can I conclude from lack of it's presence to me that it is impossible.
Do we want to draw conclusions from lack of 's... There was no lack of Bear
evidence. Even though that first couple of days you could have sworn that
the woods was hiding almost every animal I knew that was dwelling inside of it.
Prince Rupert was one of my favorite places there.
Also had to be flown into a few places. No road access and remote as
you could get. And yes sometimes you could swear their is no signs
of big wildlife. Took 2 days to see a big bear and that was a couple of brief encounters.
Sometimes you know they're there but you can't spot them.
You see tracks and scat. Coming across fresh scat of a bear is kind of
unsettling. And I have discovered a kill of a bear covered in brush, so we were
deep in it's domain. Rather fresh to, and only seen this animal a couple of
fleeting times. That was this area, but there are other areas in B.C during
the right time of year you'll see bears in abundance. feeding in the fall on salmon.
So one could easily imagine a Bigfoot could hide in some areas.
I cannot say, since the woods didn't reveal one to me it is impossible.
Nor can I conclude from lack of it's presence to me that it is impossible.
Do we want to draw conclusions from lack of 's... There was no lack of Bear
evidence. Even though that first couple of days you could have sworn that
the woods was hiding almost every animal I knew that was dwelling inside of it.
xblade
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One, part of the reason it took so long to find Fosset's plane is because no one knew quite where to look. He didn't file a flight plan, which means searchers basically had to guess where to look.
Two, a dog wasn't used to find the plane, a man and his dog were walking in the woods and just happened to find Fosset's pilots license. Once searchers knew what area to search, it took them no time to find the plane, and some remains.
Guess what WAS found in the initial search for his plane: At least 6 other crash sites:
The small air force combing the Nevada wilderness for Steve Fossett has spotted a half-dozen uncharted crash sites that may bring some solace to the families of fliers who took off into the desert sky decades ago, never to be heard from again.
Guess what wasn't found during this search, or any other for that matter: Bigfoot.
kitakaze
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Though I did live for some time in Vancouver, I have never said so in this forum. I grew up on Vancouver Island which I have mentioned several times. Such a life made sure that I spent much of my time being in deep willderness and Bigfoot territory.
Do you understand that the poorly thought point you are attempting to make is utterly meaningless. Many times when I lived on Van Isle did I come across many carcasses of mammal and other creatures besides. Last summer when I was visiting Van Isle and hiking all over the place I came across deer bones in the deep woods. It was nothing mind-blowing.
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Here is what a nicely padded leg looks like, in motion.....stiff as a board...
kitakaze wrote:
Hey kitty....do the bulging shapes on the back of Patty's left leg look like the result of a 'hip wader' inside of a suit, to you...
For William Parcher....if you slow down that animated-gif you posted earlier....you can then see that the bulge pops-up well after Patty's arm has swung by it...
It was a nice try, William, but that's not the correct explanation for how the round bulge pops-up.
kitakaze wrote:
Hey kitty....do the bulging shapes on the back of Patty's left leg look like the result of a 'hip wader' inside of a suit, to you...
For William Parcher....if you slow down that animated-gif you posted earlier....you can then see that the bulge pops-up well after Patty's arm has swung by it...
It was a nice try, William, but that's not the correct explanation for how the round bulge pops-up.
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kitakaze
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Everything after the first two sentences is copypasta. I think what makaya means is that he brought some "suspected sasquatch hairs" to school.
I think I'm rubbing off on him.
Blue Bear Alert 
Mak,
I thought your great microscope was $350 and a 1600x (I must have been mistaken). Here is a picture of my car http://www.autoclub.com.au/uploaded_images/geigercars-ford-gt-2008-769297.jpg. Mak, you crack me up.
When I hear/see Pinker’s name I always think of Dragnet “just the facts mam”, oh, and this . . .
“The problems faced by people in the field of research are encapsulated in the history of hair analysis. ln l968, some hair found in Idaho was sent to a police science instructor in Los Angeles. This presumably disinterested party, Ray Pinker was reported to state that the sample did not match specimens from any known animal species, although it did have some characteristics of human and nonhuman hair.(6) This brief assessment is tantalizing, perhaps, but on closer examination, vacuous. There is not enough information here to make a judgment. By what criteria was it determined that the hair doesn’t match anything? Did this expert have a full inventory of mammalian hair (that is, upward of 4,000 samples to cover the full spectrum of species) from which to make this sweeping claim? What is the nature of this unique combination of human and animal traits? On examining the original source, (7) it turns out that the second hand report by sympathetic researchers Vaughn Bryant and Bureligh Trevor-Deutsch, is a misrepresentation. Pinker never said the hair did not match any known species, he only stated it did not correspond to anything he had access to. Moreover, Pinker’s attribution of human and nonhuman characteristics is less enigmatic when one realizes that the sample contained different types of hair, and some of the “human” features could be ascribed to sheep or goat."
Bigfoot Exposed; David J.Daegling, pg 206
BTW, good luck in your lab.
m
Mak,
I thought your great microscope was $350 and a 1600x (I must have been mistaken). Here is a picture of my car http://www.autoclub.com.au/uploaded_images/geigercars-ford-gt-2008-769297.jpg. Mak, you crack me up.
When I hear/see Pinker’s name I always think of Dragnet “just the facts mam”, oh, and this . . .
“The problems faced by people in the field of research are encapsulated in the history of hair analysis. ln l968, some hair found in Idaho was sent to a police science instructor in Los Angeles. This presumably disinterested party, Ray Pinker was reported to state that the sample did not match specimens from any known animal species, although it did have some characteristics of human and nonhuman hair.(6) This brief assessment is tantalizing, perhaps, but on closer examination, vacuous. There is not enough information here to make a judgment. By what criteria was it determined that the hair doesn’t match anything? Did this expert have a full inventory of mammalian hair (that is, upward of 4,000 samples to cover the full spectrum of species) from which to make this sweeping claim? What is the nature of this unique combination of human and animal traits? On examining the original source, (7) it turns out that the second hand report by sympathetic researchers Vaughn Bryant and Bureligh Trevor-Deutsch, is a misrepresentation. Pinker never said the hair did not match any known species, he only stated it did not correspond to anything he had access to. Moreover, Pinker’s attribution of human and nonhuman characteristics is less enigmatic when one realizes that the sample contained different types of hair, and some of the “human” features could be ascribed to sheep or goat."
Bigfoot Exposed; David J.Daegling, pg 206
BTW, good luck in your lab.
m
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kitakaze
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Sweaty, can you maybe make that bigger because that Dfoot gif looks quite a bit like Patty's leg there.
I don't think I said Patty has actual hip waders on, Sweaty. Do you? The big goofy softball bulges also don't look like normal muscles to me either. The other leg has the same softball things?
Gee, I don't know. The thing you are referring to is only there for one single frame in your gif along with I couple other blotches that momentarily pop up here and there. Is this the best you got, Sweaty? The big bad line stays throughout though.
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