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How could a feng shui test be devised?

Sherman Bay said:
Excellent questions. Hard to believe, but some people exist in a world where some beliefs, while not necessarily adhered to religiously, are not doubted. To hit them with such questions where they have had none before can be pretty shocking. And some people take severe offense to even being asked.

We had a conversation yesterday over her proposed new business. The words Feng Shui were not mentioned; now she is talking about just doing a "staging" operation to make homes attractive, especially for sale. So, for now, I think I'll go with the flow.

Spineless, ain't I?
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If she's not actually making a fraudulent claim, then you're not being spineless at all. Feng Shui is perfectly acceptable as an aesthetic methodology. Just as Tai Ch'i is a great form of low-impact exercise, and cold-reading can be genuinely entertaining.
 
In testing the Poison Arrow corner, there would be a problem. Putting a screen up so the person being tested could not see how the bed is positioned would affect the chi of the room. Just like a extra piece of furniture out of place in any room.
 
Well, having a great deal of experience with "KI" ( Korean name for Chi) and living/training over there and seeing it first hand- one thing kinda needs to be pointed out.

The "Western" concept "new ager" type FS is radically different ( like matter and anti matter) from what the actual Asian concepts are. What westerners think FS is and what it actually is ( over there) arent compatible.

Some of it has to do with the fact that in many areas, Asians are tight lipped about such things and teach "us" a different version and then you have the standard woo make believe stuff.
 
LONGTABBER PE said:
Well, having a great deal of experience with "KI" ( Korean name for Chi) and living/training over there and seeing it first hand- one thing kinda needs to be pointed out.

The "Western" concept "new ager" type FS is radically different ( like matter and anti matter) from what the actual Asian concepts are. What westerners think FS is and what it actually is ( over there) arent compatible.

Some of it has to do with the fact that in many areas, Asians are tight lipped about such things and teach "us" a different version and then you have the standard woo make believe stuff.
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Well, would you like to educate us about what the differences are?
 
arthwollipot said:
Well, would you like to educate us about what the differences are?
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Sure

In country ( over there) there is no mysticism or other BS attached.

Its ( speaking of FS) no more different than common sense. Its based around astronomy and simply involves setting up your house/farm in accordance with the movements of the sun.

Setting the house up with the "wind" moving air thru, crop exposure and orienting house stuff in a logical manner.

Theres nothing supernatural to it. ( in the countries where it came from)

We would call it a mixture of common sense and maybe "process engineering" but nothing more.

Its important to state that "chi" ( or any variant) has a LITERAL meaning and that 99.9% of westerners who claim knowledge of it dont understand it.

Its purely PHYSICAL and makes sense ( when one removes the woo claims)

I cam give you a thesis on this- what do you need to know?
 
LONGTABBER PE said:
Well, having a great deal of experience with "KI" ( Korean name for Chi) and living/training over there and seeing it first hand- one thing kinda needs to be pointed out.

The "Western" concept "new ager" type FS is radically different ( like matter and anti matter) from what the actual Asian concepts are. What westerners think FS is and what it actually is ( over there) arent compatible.

Some of it has to do with the fact that in many areas, Asians are tight lipped about such things and teach "us" a different version and then you have the standard woo make believe stuff.
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Very good point. A great deal gets lost in translation, and one needs to be particularly aware of false cognates when doing the research in this area.
 
LONGTABBER PE said:
Sure

In country ( over there) there is no mysticism or other BS attached.

Its ( speaking of FS) no more different than common sense. Its based around astronomy and simply involves setting up your house/farm in accordance with the movements of the sun.

Setting the house up with the "wind" moving air thru, crop exposure and orienting house stuff in a logical manner.

Theres nothing supernatural to it. ( in the countries where it came from)

We would call it a mixture of common sense and maybe "process engineering" but nothing more.

Its important to state that "chi" ( or any variant) has a LITERAL meaning and that 99.9% of westerners who claim knowledge of it dont understand it.

Its purely PHYSICAL and makes sense ( when one removes the woo claims)

I cam give you a thesis on this- what do you need to know?
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And the literal meaning of "qi" is "current" or "flow of energy" as in "amperage".

The woo-woo comes in by confusion with the metaphorical use of the word "qi" to describe a kinesthetic sense that most people feel when they pay attention to their posture. No more, no less. (Note well that I did not say kinesthiology, which is a fetid pile of dingo kidneys!)
 
leonAzul said:
Oh Oh, what I'd like to know-ow
Is are you kind?

If someone is willing to share, then be grateful.

It's not all about edjumications :bgrin:
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Um, what? :confused:

I asked, I got an answer. I'm satisfied.

ETA: Thanks for the reply, LONGTABBER PE. I may have more questions later. :)
 
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leonAzul said:
And the literal meaning of "qi" is "current" or "flow of energy" as in "amperage".

The woo-woo comes in by confusion with the metaphorical use of the word "qi" to describe a kinesthetic sense that most people feel when they pay attention to their posture. No more, no less. (Note well that I did not say kinesthiology, which is a fetid pile of dingo kidneys!)
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Technically, "KI" ( Chi) has no direct translation but in the broadest sense it means "universal energy". It needs to have an adjective in front of it to properly define it. ( such as what kind of "KI")
This is where some of its meaning gets lost- "universal" ( meaning all kinds) has a woo meaning of something "mysterious" or supernatural by the time it gets to us. It doesnt have that meaning on its home 20. ( and never did)

This is part of the problem. You have "human" KI ( yin/yang or uhm yahgn [Korean]) and then "Earth" KI.

They all mean "energy" but not the same energy ( and not how "we" define energy)

I'm not going to get into the argument about "western masters" because in my experience, 99.99% of the people who claim knowledge of KI are wrong or frauds and thus the "disinformation" is greater than the information.

In short ( in Eastern terms) theres nothing "supernatural" about KI anymore than there is sunshine. Westerners made all of that crap up- it doesnt exist over there.

I see it all the time in Yoga, Tai Chi and others who have been fed wrong information.

Ki development is good and healthful. It is also a piece of the holistic pie ( all things making a better body) but theres no "secret" energy, no "life force", no magic and no "cosmic" power attached to it. There never was and never will be.
 
LONGTABBER PE said:
Technically, "KI" ( Chi) has no direct translation but in the broadest sense it means "universal energy". It needs to have an adjective in front of it to properly define it. ( such as what kind of "KI")
This is where some of its meaning gets lost- "universal" ( meaning all kinds) has a woo meaning of something "mysterious" or supernatural by the time it gets to us. It doesnt have that meaning on its home 20. ( and never did)

This is part of the problem. You have "human" KI ( yin/yang or uhm yahgn [Korean]) and then "Earth" KI.

They all mean "energy" but not the same energy ( and not how "we" define energy)

I'm not going to get into the argument about "western masters" because in my experience, 99.99% of the people who claim knowledge of KI are wrong or frauds and thus the "disinformation" is greater than the information.

In short ( in Eastern terms) theres nothing "supernatural" about KI anymore than there is sunshine. Westerners made all of that crap up- it doesnt exist over there.

I see it all the time in Yoga, Tai Chi and others who have been fed wrong information.

Ki development is good and healthful. It is also a piece of the holistic pie ( all things making a better body) but theres no "secret" energy, no "life force", no magic and no "cosmic" power attached to it. There never was and never will be.
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So where does one go to learn the right information?
 
Prometheus said:
So where does one go to learn the right information?
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Well, in my case I was fortunate to train directly under Grandmaster Suh ( kuk sool won) who is recognized as one of the worlds leading authorities on KI ( just google his name and ki- theres a ton of stuff out there) and after about 20 years he arranged for some of us to go back to Korea to actually train in the temples with the "soo nym" ( monk masters) ( basically the Korean equalivent to Shao Lin) so I learned it "first hand" from the breathing,meditation, accupuncture and movement methods.

Thats when the realization that what I thought and what actually is are light years apart.

To answer your question as best I can ( which isnt easy because theres no textbook answer), if a person doesnt have a working knowledge of accupuncture points, proper breathing methods,meditation and knowing what those postures mean ( those positions are actually precise as they allow certain pressure points to touch and the motions are precise to open and close points) and can explain how KI comes prenatal to post natal- dont even bother with them.
 
LONGTABBER PE said:
Well, in my case I was fortunate to train directly under Grandmaster Suh ( kuk sool won)
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In my case I was fortunate to study with Park Bok Nam.

Who shared a great deal of wisdom, without being arrogant about it, nor stingy with his sharing.

I have a great deal to learn; there is much that I don't know.

Sosumi!
 
Sherman Bay said:
Looks like a battle between the "true" prophets and the "false" ones. Which one is which depends on what side you came in on.
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Theres a large amount of truth to that. Let me share with you from my experience and observations.

Americans have some kind of twisted "Mr Miyagi" syndrome that gives a certain "air of truth" to all things Asian. Then Americans go there and "mimic" what they see. ( reminds me of the Star Trek TOS episode "Squire of Gothos" where Trelane made the food with no taste, fire with no heat etc).

Then they write books and become an "expert".

The ones who actually KNOW it dont peddle it because they understand that its difficult to learn and develop and takes discipline and that theres nothing supernatural or "cosmic' about it so they dont have the "woo factor" to sell. ( gotta have that "oriental mystique".

I know from my own experience that everything I thought i knew regarding the internal arts etc was 100% bogus when i was exposed to the real thing from people who are actually masters.

Its like FS. Theres no "test' for it because what is commonly paraded around as it doesnt exist. Its like the American "fortune cookie" and the American pizza. Its different when you go over there and see what the facts really are.
 
leonAzul said:
In my case I was fortunate to study with Park Bok Nam.

Who shared a great deal of wisdom, without being arrogant about it, nor stingy with his sharing.

I have a great deal to learn; there is much that I don't know.

Sosumi!
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I'm familiar with him. Then you and i should be pretty much in alignment. The tenets of BaGua are incorporated in KSW. ( Theres a heavy influence of Chinese in Korean martial arts stemming from when Korea was the 3 kingdoms)

Same thing with our masters, once you showed dedication and a willingness to train/learn- they open the doors.
 
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