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Native American myths/traditions support Bigfoot? A critical look.

makaya325 said:
Rocket, I spent time in the hoopa valley on a reservation, when i was young. Im now 18, moved to long island from california.

Oh-mah is a beast. However, I personally have visited other reservations. When i mention the sasquatch's existence, all of the indians told me "Why has the white man been realizing this now? We have known it was real before colombus even set foot on our land!". His message sent chills up my spine
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This is remaniscent of the oft-recycled Bigfoot enthusiast anecdote about the white man who seeks knowledge from the native elder regarding Bigfoot and is told something to the effect of "So you're finally getting to that, eh?"

I can't remember the exact source off the top of my head but the way mayaka tells it is very similar.

Mayaka, some questions:

- How long did you spend in the Hoopa Valley reservation?

- You are a young man now. I think you have been interested in Bigfoot for quite some time. When and how were you first exposed to Bigfoot and became interested?

- What tales were you told regarding the Oh-Mah?
 
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makaya325 said:
Rocket, I spent time in the hoopa valley on a reservation, when i was young. Im now 18, moved to long island from california.

Oh-mah is a beast. However, I personally have visited other reservations. When i mention the sasquatch's existence, all of the indians told me "Why has the white man been realizing this now? We have known it was real before colombus even set foot on our land!". His message sent chills up my spine
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"all" as in 100% of them?

They "know" it is real? How?

Could it be that the "white man" ( your words) needs a little more to establish a fact than age old stories?

If they "know" its real- do they have any? Any hides? bones? Do they know where they live?

Those are legitimate questions.
 
Kitz, the reservation i lived on had other members who were very specific. No, i have never heard of mystical stuff, unless its about monsters. When i asked them about sasquatch, they said "It is regarded as part of the normal fauna, just an ordinary animal". Its worth noting that tribes give powers to all known species, such as moose and bear.
 
Kitz, i have lived in california for 14 years, and long island 4 years. During my life in california, i met indians who told me that sasquatch was no boogey-man, that he was physically out there. If they encountered it, they wouldnt report it, it would be viewed as a normal occurence.
 
makaya325 said:
Kitz, the reservation i lived on had other members who were very specific. No, i have never heard of mystical stuff, unless its about monsters. When i asked them about sasquatch, they said "It is regarded as part of the normal fauna, just an ordinary animal".
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No, I really doubt "they" were talking to you about fauna. I can see in the language that you use that you are recycling the blurbs that you have absorbed while spending time on Bigfoot enthusiast forums and chat groups.

Its worth noting that tribes give powers to all known species, such as moose and bear.
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Mayaka, yes or no. Have you read the research post that I linked to?
 
makaya325 said:
Kitz, i have lived in california for 14 years, and long island 4 years. During my life in california, i met indians who told me that sasquatch was no boogey-man, that he was physically out there. If they encountered it, they wouldnt report it, it would be viewed as a normal occurence.
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Lived in California 14 years, ok. mayaka would you mind answering these specific questions I asked you?

- How long did you spend in the Hoopa Valley reservation?

- You are a young man now. I think you have been interested in Bigfoot for quite some time. When and how were you first exposed to Bigfoot and became interested?

- What tales were you told regarding the Oh-Mah?

You can quote them and answer them separately if you like.
 
Kitz, you can say all you want, but that doesnt make you right, does it now? It wasnt a bf enthuiast who told me it was a real animal. Its more of an extroridinary claim to suggest its anything other than an animal
 
I do not state that I am categorically right. I can only say that the facts in the research that I have done show that what you are referring to as Oh-Mah is clearly shown a being a supernatural devil/sorcerer-type figure. Yes or no. Did you read it?

One more time, I'm trying to gain an understanding of your position. To that end I have asked you three specific questions. Again I ask, can you please answer those questions. They are very straightforward and regard information that should be easy for you to specify.
 
That's completely backward. Just because natives make a claim doesn't make it in any way, shape, or form more valid.

It's just a bunch of revisionism to make the group look smarter. "Hey, you Indians are stereotypically epically knowledgeable about natural creatures! Did you know about bigfoot?" "Why of course we did, we know all about all the animals of the forest, we called it...ummm...boss of the woods! That's it..." One generation removed from it, and suddenly it is accepted that the tribe has 'always' known about bigfoot.

Acting nonchalant about it, putting on an air of detachment, doesn't mean the person making the claim is right. Even if the person who told you about this wasn't a bf lover, what makes them right? How do you know they weren't mistaken about their own culture's story? And what context did it come up in if not a bigfoot one?
 
tyr_13 said:
Many tribes call themselves by different names than they used to, so I don't think this is a valid criticism.
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That is a valid point and I apologize if I got it wrong.

My people have always called themselves by their ancestral name that is "as old as memory". Other tribes I have worked with have also called themselves by their ancestral name.

Non-tribe members (especially government officials) have changed the names of First Nations peoples and tribes. But, the government is always screwing things up...:D
 
tyr_13 said:
That's completely backward. Just because natives make a claim doesn't make it in any way, shape, or form more valid.
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Well, everything except the...uhh... size thing...right?
I mean everyone knows we are...ummm...bigger.
:D
 
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makaya325 said:
Rocket, I spent time in the hoopa valley on a reservation, when i was young. Im now 18, moved to long island from california.

Oh-mah is a beast. However, I personally have visited other reservations. When i mention the sasquatch's existence, all of the indians told me "Why has the white man been realizing this now? We have known it was real before colombus even set foot on our land!". His message sent chills up my spine
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Sends chills down my spine when somebody claims Columbus visited California.
 
makaya325 said:
Kitz, i have lived in california for 14 years, and long island 4 years. During my life in california, i met indians who told me that sasquatch was no boogey-man, that he was physically out there. If they encountered it, they wouldnt report it, it would be viewed as a normal occurence.
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Where on Long Island?
 
Diogenes said:
Sends chills down my spine when somebody claims Columbus visited California.
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I like the anecdotes that makaya comes up with:

makaya325 said:
When i mention the sasquatch's existence, all of the indians told me "Why has the white man been realizing this now? We have known it was real before colombus even set foot on our land!". His message sent chills up my spine
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makaya325 said:
When i asked them about sasquatch, they said "It is regarded as part of the normal fauna, just an ordinary animal". Its worth noting that tribes give powers to all known species, such as moose and bear.
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But I find it hard to believe that he thinks anyone actually would think those imagined dialogues ever took place.
 
You mean people. You didn't refer to a single man but rather a collective group of people. If you would like to alter the stories to a single man, can you tell us who the man was? Also, mayaka, please address posts #989 and #987 using the quote function.
 
kitakaze said:
Lived in California 14 years, ok. mayaka would you mind answering these specific questions I asked you?

- How long did you spend in the Hoopa Valley reservation?

- You are a young man now. I think you have been interested in Bigfoot for quite some time. When and how were you first exposed to Bigfoot and became interested?

- What tales were you told regarding the Oh-Mah?

You can quote them and answer them separately if you like.
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I have spent 14 years there.

Ever since i began to talk and listen, i have heard many lore of the creature. The Oh-Mah is our sasquatch, not a boogey-man, he was a good sign, a creature encountered by many.
 
Have you examined the research I've done? Can you tell me one example of the lore you were told about Oh-Mah? What tales refer to him as a good sign? If he was encountered by many then why no remains?
 
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