Jim Callahan Vs. Chad Sanborn Challenge

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Hello,

I have been informed of this thread:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=105421&forum=15&start=90

Where Chad Sanborn is willing to take Jim Callahan's $25K challenge.

For some reason the acceptance of the challenge by Chad has not been followed through from Aug 19th, 2005. I don't know why. Maybe something happened later which I'm not aware of.

Jim, please comment why there was no correspondence from you to Chad's offer to take your challenge.

Any other input on this specific challenge from other forum members is most welcome.

Thank you.
 
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yairhol said:
Hello,

I have been informed of this thread:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=105421&forum=15&start=90

Where Chad Sanborn is willing to take Jim Callahan's $25K challenge.

For some reason the acceptance of the challenge by Chad has not been followed through from Aug 19th, 2005. I don't know why. Maybe something happened later which I'm not aware of.

Jim, please comment why there was no correspondence from you to Chad's offer to take you up on your offer.

Any other input on this specific challenge from other forum members is most welcome.

Thank you.
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Not only hadn't been followed through on, it hadn't even been replied to or acknowledged by Callahan. No big surprises there. Chad posted three times about accepting Jim's challenge. Jim posted four times after that, none of which mentioned it at all.

I can understand Callahan running from Randi's challenge, but to run from his own??
 
Why take time out from his busy schedule to pursue $25,000 when he has his eye on $1,000,000? Of course, he's not knocking himself out for Randi's $1,000,000 because he's got enough money of his own. (And in his mind Randi's million probably doesn't exist.) It's not about the money, it's the principle of the thing.

I'm even better than these so-called mediums who channel the dead, I can do it with the living. (Of course, now he has to come up with something else, just to prove me wrong.)
 
RoboTimbo said:
Not only hadn't been followed through on, it hadn't even been replied to or acknowledged by Callahan. No big surprises there. Chad posted three times about accepting Jim's challenge. Jim posted four times after that, none of which mentioned it at all.

I can understand Callahan running from Randi's challenge, but to run from his own??
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Rather than wade through Callahan's nonsense in numerous threads, I'll just ask - has he ever given a reason why he didn't respond? Even a hint-like one of his "I speak, therefore I am" blurbs?
 
Hitch said:
Why take time out from his busy schedule to pursue $25,000 when he has his eye on $1,000,000? Of course, he's not knocking himself out for Randi's $1,000,000 because he's got enough money of his own. (And in his mind Randi's million probably doesn't exist.) It's not about the money, it's the principle of the thing.
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Jim is the initiator of this challenge. It's not like someone asked him if he would like to participate in such a challenge. He's asking others to take him on his offer.
 
Way I see it is he talks the talk but cannot walk the walk :)

Lets look at the facts: Chad Sanborn steps up,Jim backs down(by not replying or accepting)
Criss Angel steps up offers Jim a challenge.Jim backs down by throwing a "spaz"(copyright kitkaze)
Jim claimed he would serve notice on me if I gave him my details;this I did.Nothing happened.
In Spetember last year Jeff Wagg invited Jim to take MDC after Jim said "I'm in" a few days later he declined.

So what are we to take from this? Jim is a coward?
 
yairhol said:
Jim is the initiator of this challenge. It's not like someone asked him if he would like to participate in such a challenge. He's asking others to take him on his offer.
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His challenge was to James Randi, not Chris Sanborn. Chris Sanborn does not get him the attention he so desperately craves.
 
desertgal said:
Rather than wade through Callahan's nonsense in numerous threads, I'll just ask - has he ever given a reason why he didn't respond? Even a hint-like one of his "I speak, therefore I am" blurbs?
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Not that I've seen. His usual response to an uncomfortable question is, "I've already addressed that, you haven't paid attention." That is, when he can bring himself to respond at all. It's difficult to really tell over there at the green monster. Here, on JREF, threads get bounced to AAH and you can still see them. There, threads get deleted. I think Callahan et al take advantage of that when the kitchen gets hot, they just start provoking and name calling and bingo! thread deleted.
 
The moderating at Magic Cafe is borderline lunacy.It seems good old Professor tries his hand at discounting various skeptic theories there,mainly due to distinct lack of many skeptics.Still he loses. :D
 
Azrael 5 said:
Way I see it is he talks the talk but cannot walk the walk :)

Lets look at the facts: Chad Sanborn steps up,Jim backs down(by not replying or accepting)
Criss Angel steps up offers Jim a challenge.Jim backs down by throwing a "spaz"(copyright kitkaze)
Jim claimed he would serve notice on me if I gave him my details;this I did.Nothing happened.
In Spetember last year Jeff Wagg invited Jim to take MDC after Jim said "I'm in" a few days later he declined.

So what are we to take from this? Jim is a coward?
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His mother MUST have dropped on his head when he was a baby. What a crackpot.
 
The issue that this thread raises is one that I and many others are very keen to see Jim Callahan try and cope with. I sincerely hope that this thread is not closed before then. I understand the sentiment of posts like the one desertgal just made but it is those types of posts that wil ensure Callahan can further evade the issue.

Callahan puts great emphasis on cash guarantees to his claims and here we have the very situation of a person (who happened to be a fellow magician) taking Jim's challenge and offering an equal amount of money to test Callahan under his own rules. Jim's silence on this is golden. More than anything he has said about Angel, Randi, or the MDC, this is the subject he really hopes will go away and speaks the loudest about him. Here you have someone putting their money where Jim's mouth is and Jim's mouth going very quiet.

I have repeatedly pursued Callahan on this matter. He has tried to escape by various means including refusing to comment because the question was off-topic (it was not). The closest he came was to imply that Sanborn was now a fan and had joined his team. This was blatant dishonesty and a distortion of the fact that Chad Sanborn signed up as a member of Jim's site to continue pressing the offer when Jim would do nothing to acknowledge Chad's repeated requests for response at the Cafe. Sanborn also submitted himself for job openings for the dead (and a free chance to plug his own magic site.)

Make no mistake, the best way to ask Jim Callahan about anything he says about abilities, challenges, and claims is to ask him about Chad Sanborn and not let up.
 
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Sorry. I'll refrain in future.

ETA: Isn't it possible, though, that Callahan's challenge is just another game, and he isn't responding, not because he is scared to, but because it is just the way he is playing that game? That isn't intended as a slam against Callahan - but he appears to have a 'carnival barker' style, on and off stage. Grandiose, illusory claims are generally a part of carnival barking.
 
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yairhol said:
Hello,

I have been informed of this thread:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=105421&forum=15&start=90

Where Chad Sanborn is willing to take Jim Callahan's $25K challenge.

For some reason the acceptance of the challenge by Chad has not been followed through from Aug 19th, 2005. I don't know why. Maybe something happened later which I'm not aware of.

Jim, please comment why there was no correspondence from you to Chad's offer to take your challenge.

Any other input on this specific challenge from other forum members is most welcome.

Thank you.
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This is an interesting thread and one many may learn from.
Does it offer a further proof for this thread/topic?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132372
Surely it should because of the posts offered by those still
supporting their personal belief.
(Not the facts).

However I can see were the problem may stem from and why some have chosen to use it to support their personal beliefs.

You are correct Yairhol, there is something missing.

That being several deleted threads that went on at the same time as the thread in question.
In addition posts were deleted from the thread that is the topic of this thread.
Chad and I did come to an understanding.

He even became one of the first people to sign on to take part in my after death experiment.

Hope this clears this up.
If not call Chad and ask him.
He has a website and I think his number is on it.
(I will not post it on an open forum).

Interesting only one of you used common sense to come to that conclusion.
(Of something may or might be missing).

The others are doing what they need to support the false reality they have created.
But it is true as pointed out on the other thread I am pushing them to do so.

Interaction builds commitment.
They interact with the content I create and in doing so create value.
However that is really off topic for this thread I think so I will leave it for the other thread.

Thanks for being rational.

Jim
 
Callahan is throwing up the smoke now. He's trying to find a way to dance through this and once again he thinks he sees the JREF spotting him. He's happy that people have begun to discuss his attempts at manipulation. They help him by suggesting possibilities which Callahan goes ahead and endorses if he likes the feel of it. If he can maybe get people to think it's all part of a funky plan, maybe they will become distracted from the huckster maneuvers.

Callahan would like you to think he's got it all under control. The truth is that myself and others are manipulating his responses far better than he would have you believe he is capable. Oh surely he can get 16 year old boys to have the type of reaction he wants but this is not what he was designing for.

Neither Chad Sanborn or any other person who has sought to give Callahan the opportunity to prove his claims has come to an understanding with him. Callahan predictably mentions Sanborn registering at his site but says nothing of how he addressed Chad's persistent attempts to get Callahan to respond to his $25,000 offer.

Jim talks about people responding to false realities that he has created. This is good and shows how backed in he realizes he is. He needs you to get invested in discussing this idea to draw away from the truth. Jim has fled from those accepting the offers that he has proposed and advertised.
 
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kitakaze said:
They help him by suggesting possibilities which Callahan goes ahead and endorses if he likes the feel of it. If he can maybe get people to think it all part of a funky plan, maybe they will become distracted from the huckster maneuvers.
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Okay, admittedly, I'm lost. To be clear, I don't believe a word that Callahan types. But, the OP did call for input from members about why Callahan didn't respond to Sanborn's acceptance of Callahan's challenge.

Then, you said that the issue of why Callahan didn't respond to Sanborn's acceptance of his challenge is something you and others would very much like to see Callahan deal with.

Now, it seems you are saying that if we respond with our observations as to why-which, to me, is obviously because Callahan was pulling his carnival barker routine when he proposed his challenge and never had any intention of following through-we're playing right into his hands and making him happy?

Should we offer observations? Not offer observations? Only offer certain observations that Callahan didn't plan on?

Or just let you and Callahan and these other people who are manipulating his responses participate? Which is fine, but, then, the OP should be amended not to call for input from the general membership.

Not trying to be rude - just baffled.
 
desertgal said:
Now, it seems you are saying that if we respond with our observations as to why-which, to me, is obviously because Callahan was pulling his carnival barker routine when he proposed his challenge and never had any intention of following through-we're playing right into his hands and making him happy?

Should we offer observations? Not offer observations? Only offer certain observations that Callahan didn't plan on?

Or just let you and Callahan and these other people who are manipulating his responses participate? Which is fine, but, then, the OP should be amended not to call for input from the general membership.

Not trying to be rude - just baffled.
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I apologize, desertgal. I should have made myself more clear and thanks for bringing that up. I should have given an example and a link. I was actually referring to what can be seen in the psychological manipulation thread where people will suggest what kind of things Callahan is doing or attempting to do. What you never see is him volunteer information first but rather respond to people say yes, he was doing this or that and would add a little detail.

I'm sorry I made it seem that suggestions here why he hasn't answered Sanborn in any fashion we could see might help Jim. By all means, there's plenty of reasons to speculate what the reasons were and anybody who likes is obviously welcome to do so.
 
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Casual observers will note that when Callahan offers "proof" of his claims it doesn't qualify as any kind of proof at all. Does it exclude mundane non-paranormal explanations? No, so any reasonable person can see that they are not being given the proof that Callahan speaks of. Discerning an object in a sealed container by awareness of the remaining objects it was selected from requires nothing paranormal.

As could be easily predicted for this thread, Callahan has very little to say about Sanborn and his $25K offer. Callahan says that he came to an understanding with Sanborn. I think this can be interpretted in the same fashion as when Jim says he's making progress with Skeptic's Bible (Chris) and Chris chimes in letting us know that is not the case and calling Jim on it.

We could speculate what Callahan might call "coming to an understanding." Letting someone know you have no intention of further communication could be an understanding. Offering a fellow magician a routine in exchange for silence could be an understanding (though I very much doubt that scenario). Including myself there have been at least two JREF members that have contacted Chad Sanborn for clarification on the matter so it will be very interesting to see what the response is.
 
I couldn't be bothered to read an unecessary 38 pages worth of blab.

Care to condense it for me, Jim?

Alex.
 
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