The Patterson Film Prints & Casts

[Crowlogic]

A lot of discussion has been raised concerning the nature of the prints in the Patterson Film. Some of that discussion has centered around the "too perfect nature" of the casts and some of the prints.

However assuming that the tracks to be cast were imperfect due to soil flinging and material back filling the prints Patterson could have easily cleaned up the unwanted material. After all who was going to know? If Patterson did in fact stamp phony tracks how and why are some of the details discussed apparent in some of the tracks and not all of the tracks? The so called mid tarsal break has at times been attributed to the effect of nothing more than the big rubber costume feet of the mime in the suit. Lastly the film has been undergoing analysis for 40 years and why in those 40 years until now did nobody propose that the appearance of the prints look stamped? Its also worth considering that the operation of stamping the phony track line across the film site would have left a cluster of boot prints left by the hoaxers as they did their print stamping. Human activity around each and every print has never been mentioned while evidence of casting some prints has.

I've added these photos the Patterson site photos and some others which show some very nice clean prints made by natural walking by natural walkers. The fossilized print obviously was not a stamped hoax but sure preserved cleanly and if cast would raise a few eyebrows as to its nature. Also take notice of what appears to be a mid tarsal break in the human tracks across the beach.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

I thought the guy admitted his fakery before he died. Maybe I shouldn't have fed this thread.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Lastly the film has been undergoing analysis for 40 years and why in those 40 years until now did nobody propose that the appearance of the prints look stamped?

Because, for the most part, no one but proponents thought the prints were really made by a Bigfoot, and worth the trouble of investigating.

One of the favorite frames ( the one that Giganto is using in his current argument .. ) of the PGF shows the heel planted and the toes up in the air.. Planting the heel and rolling the foot forward on the ball, then pushing off, creates a very different type of print than what we see in the alleged casts from the PGF ..

P.S.
Your ' mid-tarsal ' break, is just a pressure ridge from pushing off on the ball of the foot; and sorely lacking in the PGF and most supposed Bigfoot tracks.. We have discussed it ad nauseam before..

 

[William Parcher]

Its also worth considering that the operation of stamping the phony track line across the film site would have left a cluster of boot prints left by the hoaxers as they did their print stamping. Human activity around each and every print has never been mentioned while evidence of casting some prints has.

Do you want to consider that as an issue? You have read our discussion of this before in the 411 PGF. Laverty & Titmus should have expected to see bootprints around the Patty tracks. They should have seen evidence of kneeling near the prints that had been cast by RP. They should have seen evidence of the stomp test (deeper than typical bootprints where BG jumped off a log next to the Patty prints). The testimony of P&G about the various stride measurements would support the idea that they walked the full length of her observable trackway. Yes, it makes sense that Laverty & Titmus would see bootprints all throughout the Patty trackway. I don't exactly know how a person would determine if those bootprints were laid down in the process of creating fake tracks as opposed to inspecting the trackway and individual tracks. When Gimlin goes back to cover tracks with bark, he presumably needs to decides which tracks to cover - again he is walking amongst the trackway.

I have always found it curious that Titmus was able to tease out RP's tracks at the time of filming from amongst what must have been an array of bootprints.

 

[Crowlogic]

I thought the guy admitted his fakery before he died. Maybe I shouldn't have fed this thread.

Roger Patterson never confessed to a hoax. Ray Wallace confessed to hoaxing tracks.

 

[Crowlogic]

Do you want to consider that as an issue? You have read our discussion of this before in the 411 PGF. Laverty & Titmus should have expected to see bootprints around the Patty tracks. They should have seen evidence of kneeling near the prints that had been cast by RP. They should have seen evidence of the stomp test (deeper than typical bootprints where BG jumped off a log next to the Patty prints). The testimony of P&G about the various stride measurements would support the idea that they walked the full length of her observable trackway. Yes, it makes sense that Laverty & Titmus would see bootprints all throughout the Patty trackway. I don't exactly know how a person would determine if those bootprints were laid down in the process of creating fake tracks as opposed to inspecting the trackway and individual tracks. When Gimlin goes back to cover tracks with bark, he presumably needs to decides which tracks to cover - again he is walking amongst the trackway.

I have always found it curious that Titmus was able to tease out RP's tracks at the time of filming from amongst what must have been an array of bootprints.

My issue is that the whatever Patterson filmed is whatever made the tracks. The idea that crisp clean tracks automatically indicate hoax is deflated by the appearance of non hoax known tracks that could present a caster with a very staged (read hoaxed) print cast. Yes there are some nice looking tracks associated with Bluff Creek in both cast and image. But there are a lot of nice tracks of all sorts of things and nice crisp tracks and casts don't a hoax of seperate from film subject (Patty) make.

 

[William Parcher]

Ray Wallace confessed to hoaxing tracks.

He did?

 

[JcR]

Wallace as far as I know never confessed. Think it was some
reporter's article that started that rumor.
Not even sure if Wallace had anything to do with the first
castings made in California, certainly didn't start all this (not sure what to call it anymore).
"Wooden slippers in a box even a Bigfoot would be proud to wear"

 

[Crowlogic]

Wallace's actions as hoaxer were uncovered as wittness in the NG Bigfoot Video. So is Wallace a known hoaxer with cohorts having demonstrated how the hoaxes were done and some of the hoax props discovered. Yes Ray Wallace is confirmed to have hoaxed tracks as well as having put his wife in a suit to film. Jeez that's common knowledge by now you boys know that, don't you? Hehehe!

 

[kitakaze]

Roger Patterson never confessed to a hoax. Ray Wallace confessed to hoaxing tracks.

No, he didn't.

Wallace's actions as hoaxer were uncovered as wittness in the NG Bigfoot Video. So is Wallace a known hoaxer with cohorts having demonstrated how the hoaxes were done and some of the hoax props discovered. Yes Ray Wallace is confirmed to have hoaxed tracks as well as having put his wife in a suit to film. Jeez that's common knowledge by now you boys know that, don't you? Hehehe!

Confirmed to have hoaxed tracks, yes. That's not the same. Do you have a link to Ray Wallace publicly admitting hoaxing tracks?

Paul Freeman, who is an admitted hoaxer, is the source of track evidence considered genuine by Bigfooters such as Jeff Meldrum.

 

[William Parcher]

Yes Ray Wallace is confirmed to have hoaxed tracks as well as having put his wife in a suit to film.

He did?

 

[Blackdog]

Yes Ray Wallace is confirmed to have hoaxed tracks as well as having put his wife in a suit to film. Jeez that's common knowledge by now you boys know that, don't you? Hehehe!

Sorry Crow back to BF101 for you. I'd tell you who did it and who said it but I think you need to do your own research.
One thing I do agree with you about is that it is common knowledge.

 

[Crowlogic]

No, he didn't.



Confirmed to have hoaxed tracks, yes. That's not the same. Do you have a link to Ray Wallace publicly admitting hoaxing tracks?

Paul Freeman, who is an admitted hoaxer, is the source of track evidence considered genuine by Bigfooters such as Jeff Meldrum.

Ray is dead I don't think he'll mind and I don't think anyone with reasonable sense will deny that Ray Wallace had way with big wooden feet. Unless you can prove Ray Wallace never hoaxed any tracks. Unless you can prove that Ray's cohorts demonstrating being towed behind a truck stomping out tracks in cahoots with Ray Wallace makes Ray a non hoaxer. So I will correct it just for you kitty. Ray's son holding up the wooden feet that Ray made and Mrs Wallace explaing how Ray was such a craftsman making the feet. Do you think that perhaps little elves came and made the feet and stomped around in them. Well do you think it was little elves? Or do you think it was Ol' Ray and the boys having a hoot?

Paul Freeman is a hoaxer start to finish. I'm not responsible for anything Jeff Meldrum may or may not think. I don't hoax Bigfoot tracks. I don't hoax any tracks.

 

[kitakaze]

*cough*

 

[kitakaze]

So I will correct it just for you kitty. Ray's son holding up the wooden feet that Ray made and Mrs Wallace explaing how Ray was such a craftsman making the feet. Do you think that perhaps little elves came and made the feet and stomped around in them. Well do you think it was little elves? Or do you think it was Ol' Ray and the boys having a hoot?

Ray's family members displaying his Bigfoot goofiness after he passed away is not the same as Ray getting a conscience and coming clean to the press.

Your Bigfoot 101 stinks. Pee-yeew. That's ok. Why, just not so long ago I got my Ivan Marx mixed up with my Ivan Sanderson! My oh my, Heavens to Betsy! I almost fainted, I felt like such a Nelly, dear. You just pull those socks up and you'll be right as rain.

 

[GT/CS]

Crow, have you noticed that Rick and others keep trying to derail that thread by talking about Tube's walking stick, Melissa and stolen ash (what's that about?), and anything else they can think of to avoid the issue? I'll bet their tactics will work and the thread will be dead within 2 days. Good thing you brought here for a proper discussion!

 

[Crowlogic]

Ray's family members displaying his Bigfoot goofiness after he passed away is not the same as Ray getting a conscience and coming clean to the press.

Your Bigfoot 101 stinks. Pee-yeew. That's ok. Why, just not so long ago I got my Ivan Marx mixed up with my Ivan Sanderson! My oh my, Heavens to Betsy! I almost fainted, I felt like such a Nelly, dear. You just pull those socks up and you'll be right as rain.

No but is sure aired out his soiled long johns! Thank you I'd worry about myself if I was anal as you and some of the other usual suspects are about this stuff. So kit did you do anything important today?

 

[Crowlogic]

Crow, have you noticed that Rick and others keep trying to derail that thread by talking about Tube's walking stick, Melissa and stolen ash (what's that about?), and anything else they can think of to avoid the issue? I'll bet their tactics will work and the thread will be dead within 2 days. Good thing you brought here for a proper discussion!

It won't get a proper discussion here either I'm afraid.

 

[LTC8K6]

Those Laverty photos kinda look like they are all from different feet...

Of course, we've been over that 11 dozen times already...

 

[Crowlogic]

Those Laverty photos kinda look like they are all from different feet...

Of course, we've been over that 11 dozen times already...

Then don't trouble yourself by comming back. But sometimes even after somethings been done 11 times the charm is in the 12th time.